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YET another lame attempt to excuse the ignorance of this so-called president who gets his "intelligence" from Fox and Tucker Carlson Nothing of note happened that night in Sweden. The Carlson interview was rubbish: www.factcheck.org/2017/02/trump-exaggerates-swedish-crime/ 3:24 PM (local time): A man set himself on fire at Sergels torg, a plaza in central Stockholm. He was taken to the hospital with severe burns. There is so far no information on his motives but the intelligence service is not part of the investigation. 6:42 PM: The famous singer Owe Thörnqvist had some technical problems during rehearsal for the singing competition ”Melodifestivalen”. (However, the 87 year old singer still managed to secure the victory the very next day.) 8:23 PM: A man died in hospital, after an accident in the workplace earlier that day in the city of Borås. 8:46 PM: Due to harsh weather in the northern parts of Sweden the road E10 was closed between Katterjåkk and Riksgränsen. Due to strong winds and snow in the region the Met office also issued an avalanche warning. 12:17 AM: Police officers initiated a chase for a fleeing Peugeot through central parts of the Swedish capital of Stockholm. The pursuit ended in police officers ramming the suspect at Engelbrektsgatan. The driver is now accused of driving under the influence, traffic violation and car theft. http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Vn17J/in-english-this-happened-in-sweden-friday-night-mr-president%20 "IN LIGHTER NEWS: 11:23 AM: Ok, let’s not be fake news, this story took place in the autumn, but was reported Friday before lunch and we thought you would like it. A wooden moose got the attention of a lovesick moose bull. It all happened in 79 year old Ove Lindqvist’s garden in Byske outside Skellefteå, northern Sweden. ”I thought it was going to start a fight, instead it humped the wooden moose thrice”, he said." Oh the tremendous woes of Sweden caused by all those who have darker skin and on occasion go to a mosque. All thats newsworthy on a Swedish weekend. In one respect trump could twit, yes he is a twit, about increased Swedish defense spending. But thats in fact a direct response to Putin. http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/04/17/sweden-raises-defense-budget-amid-russia-concerns/25951203/

On the issue of climate change I have come to the personal conclusion that Brent and I will just have to agree to disagree.The right doesn't want to recognize this for two main reasons. First there are vested interests in big oil. Viewing solar-conservation, etc. as liberal elitist nonsense. Secondly is the issue of compensation to other countries for the effects of global warming. "Some developing countries fall under the category of vulnerable to climate change. These countries involve small, sometimes isolated, island nations, low lying nations, nations who rely on drinking water from shrinking glaciers etc. These vulnerable countries see themselves as the victims of climate change and some have organized themselves under groups like the Climate Vulnerable Forum.( http://www.thecvf.org/These countries seek mitigation monies from the developed and the industrializing countries to help them adapt to the impending catastrophes that they see climate change will bring upon them.[13] For these countries climate change is seen as an existential threat and the politics of these countries is to seek reparation and adaptation monies from the developed world and some see it as their right." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_global_warming "The US and other wealthy countries are inching towards a deal with poorer nations on one of the most divisive issues in UN climate change talks: dealing with the damaging impacts of global warming. The question of how to help people displaced by the extreme weather that scientists say is likely to intensify as global temperatures rise has become a festering sticking point in UN climate negotiations over the past five years. Some poorer nations insist rich countries, whose carbon pollution initially caused the climate change problem, should compensate them for weather-related losses that have risen to well over $100bn a year, according to the World Bank.... With only three months left before nearly 200 countries are due to strike a new legally binding UN climate accord in Paris, developing countries at preparatory talks in Bonn this week abandoned calls for direct compensation. Instead, they want a “climate change displacement co-ordination facility” to be established under the Paris agreement. It would help relocate people and provide more reliable aid for countries most at risk from fierce storms and more gradual dangers such as rising sea levels. “We need a permanent process to deal with the long-term damage caused by these events because it is going to be a growing problem,” he told the Financial Times. Rich countries’ emergency relief was of no use to countries with economies flattened by weather disasters, added Lloyd Pascal, head of the delegation from the Caribbean island of Dominica, which was badly hit by torrential rains from Tropical Storm Erika last month. We need a permanent process to deal with the long-term damage caused by these events because it is going to be a growing problem. “They allow climate change to destroy you and then they provide you with tents and blankets,” he told the FT. But the idea of setting up a new body to handle displaced victims of climate change is being resisted by the US and the EU, which is struggling to deal with the worst refugee crisis since the end of the second world war. “Climate change poses an existential risk to many low-lying countries,” she said, adding the industries most responsible for climate loss and damage should pay for it." In the end the EU came on board, China was on the fence and the US was the sole objector to having to pay compensation. The idea that a quasi UN body would require the US to pay compensation to low lying countries for being wiped off the map by rising sea levels was a non starter. The fundamental right to have unlimited gas without a "carbon tax" is written in the US constitution. Then there is the current anti-science policy of the trump administration: "Yesterday, the official Twitter account of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology retweeted an interesting article to its 179,000 followers: “Global Temperatures Plunge. Icy Silence from Climate Alarmists.” The only problem is that global temperatures aren’t exactly plunging, according to an analysis of the underlying data by The Washington Post. The story, in Breitbart News, cribbed from an earlier Daily Mail story that reported Earth’s land temperatures had fallen at a record pace in 2016, and that human-caused climate change did not contribute to record-high temperatures from 2014–16. But both stories are based on incomplete data and flawed arguments, the Post reports. The relevant temperature records date back only to 1979, and they apply only to landmasses, not the world’s oceans. Add those in, and global temperatures did not drop. What’s more, the drop in land temperatures was expected, as the warm phase of the most recent El Niño weather event shifts to its colder twin, La Niña." http://www.sciencemag.org/news/sifter/just-where-did-breitbart-get-its-climate-data The above is bannon, not trump. Hopefully clears that up for you. https://www.ft.com/content/54528a78-52e0-11e5-b029-b9d50a74fd14

I like this "Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle'. "Illegal" undocumented workers are well recognized by every political party and business group. US workers won't pick fruit,produce and other agriculture field products. This entire area is a minefield for politicians.

I agree. But she has allowed herself to enter the political equation. Just as Chelsea Clinton was off limits before but now has decided to enter the political scene. The idea of this thread "Melania Trump, Powerful Presence" was nothing but a bannon inspired play to the religious conservative base. trump has never given any substantive view of real Christian values. No you don't have to go to church every week to be a Christian. But he is not. trump has never stated or formulated any sort of national policy for helping the poor, giving aid to any foreign group or country. His views on Christ: "Trump's attempts at public religion have been awkward, at best. He said he does not ask for forgiveness and "does not bring God into that picture" when he makes mistakes. He has tried to put money in the Communion plate and referred to the sacrament as "my little wine" and "my little cracker." He mispronounced a book of the Bible, and when asked about his favorite verse, has either deferred or, in one case, cited "an eye for an eye," an Old Testament revenge scheme specifically condemned by Christ.(Turn the other cheek, Jesus said.) Trump tussled with the Pope and was shushed by a minister in Detroit. He often looks uneasy when pastors lay their hands on him and pray. He says he is proud of his evangelical support but not sure he deserves it. When asked theological questions, Trump often speaks in terms so vague they approach opacity. Asked "Who is God to you?" by the Christian Broadcasting Network, Trump answered "God is the ultimate," then began a brief spiel about how he got a great deal on a golf course before circling back to his original definition. "So nobody, no thing, no there's nothing like God." Trump's broad language often serves a purpose, says Michael D'Antonio, author of "The Truth About Trump," a biography. "Donald keeps his options open. He make things mysterious and unclear so that he can say anything else at another time." Trump's supporters have a different explanation. Trump is a businessman, not a pastor. He doesn't have practiced answers about religious questions, nor should he be expected to, they say. But that doesn't mean he's irreligious. (Trump's campaign did not respond to several interview requests.) ... "Out there in civic centers he would say, over and over, 'You can, if you think you can,'" Brown said. "In the pulpit of our church he would quote Philippians 4, 'You can do all things through Christ.' " But other Christians accused Peale of peddling jingles, not the gospel, worldly success instead of salvation, and simplistic solutions at a time of increasing complexity. "He promises quick, painless, and complete 'solutions' to problems which may be deep and complex, and which may require real discipline and professional treatment," wrote religious studies professor and journalist William Lee Miller in 1955. Nevertheless, Donald Trump loved Peale's preaching, especially his stories about businessmen surmounting obstacles. "He would instill a very positive feeling about God that also made me feel positive about myself," Trump writes in "Great Again." "I would literally leave that church feeling like I could listen to another three sermons." Trump and Peale became close. Peale officiated at Trump's first marriage, to Ivana, and at the funeral services for his parents. "He thought I was his greatest student of all time," Trump said. The businessman credited "the power of positive thinking" for helping him rebound in the 1990s, when his casinos were tanking and he owed creditors billions of dollars. "I refused to be sucked into negative thinking on any level, even when the indications weren't great." Trump's book titles evoke Peale's brand of pop psychology. There's "Think Big," "Think Like a Champion" and "Think Like a Billionaire." In another book, "Never Give Up," Trump gives an example of how he put the power of positive thinking into practice. Scouring the newspapers for real estate deals, he found a rundown property in Cincinnati, which he bought from the Federal Housing Administration. The complex had a reputation for "rent runners," Trump writes, so he hired 24-hour patrols, spruced up the place and hired a "politically incorrect" project manager. When the surrounding area got "rough," Trump sold the complex, reaping a $6 million profit. "Creative, positive thinking can be a powerful source of success," he wrote. ... In the book, Trump's week ends at 4:45 on Friday afternoon with a visit from David Letterman. Other than a dinner with the late Cardinal John O'Connor of New York, there is no religion, no mention of God nor any hint of introspection. "I don't like to analyze myself," Trump told biographer D'Antonio, "because I might not like what I see." In recent years, Trump has said that he attends church occasionally, on Christmas, Easter and "special occasions," but that he is too busy on most Sundays. He is no longer a member of Marble Collegiate or First Presbyterian in Queens, and it's hard to picture him sitting through a service, or confessing his sins before a congregation, or listening, in quiet hours of Trump Tower, for the still, small voice of God. Trump puts his faith in work, and waits upon the whirlwind." and " After months of reflection, Donald Trump says he still doesn't regret his decision not to ask God for forgiveness for his sins. In an interview on Sunday with CNN, the Republican presidential frontrunner said that he does not regret never asking God for forgiveness, partially because he says he doesn't have much to apologize for. " http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/21/politics/trump-religion-gospel/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/02/donald-trump-national-prayer-breakfast/97392348/ http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-on-god-i-dont-like-to-have-to-ask-for-forgiveness-2016-1

OK this has to be Roy #1 with the most education and the most time in the west. Starts off with a flattering statement with implied affirmations of shared intelligence. Very good English and nuanced views. Put Roy#2 back on when he wakes up as I have a couple other choice jabs.

How would a successful and brilliant businessman like Trump not know that high import taxes would hurt the retail industry? I don't know... Might not have discussed it with Harper. So... what you like about Trump is that his entire campaign was based on fairytale promises and wild exaggerations of his own knowledge and ability, and now that he has to face the real world no-one has a clue what he's going to do? Oh BTW, import taxes was plan B on paying for the wall. Any idea what plan C is? That might have more to do with Senate leader Graham: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/320306-graham-ryan-tax-plan-wont-get-10-votes-in-the-senate A 'walked back" view of where all the trade promises of trump is headed: http://thehill.com/policy/finance/320187-angst-in-gop-over-trumps-trade-agenda So that leaves China and trade. trump started off with a two china policy. Then China showed trump a new Mandarin version of "The China Art of the Deal" and " zhilaohu – “paper tiger”. http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toi-edit-page/trumps-soothing-balm-volatile-us-president-backs-away-from-confronting-china-and-makes-it-up-to-japan/ The above article offers a widespread view of trump(in Asia) and what is now his degree of resoluteness. When it concerns promises, threats and how to negotiate. In the entire Asian area trump is viewed as a paper tiger. The absolute silence on North Korea's recent missile test further proof of that. trump and Abe made one joint statement, then nothing. I guess he was busy whipping up the base again.

So it is being reported that she had to READ the prayer from a script. I'm an atheist and I can recite it from memory. She'd probably also have to read it if she said it in French, Italian or any other non-native language that she may speak. Do you think you'd be able to cite it perfectly in another language without writing it down? Can you even speak any other language? I'm surprised nobody criticized her for plagiarizing it yet. I guess that's an improvement. Mrs. T LIVES in the USA and has done since 1996. I can speak French quite well, and I'm sure that if I lived in France since 1996 I'd be quite fluent enough not to need a script.. The greater question would be why trump wasn't giving this prayer himself. Oh there is a good reason!!! "Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told reporters Thursday that he attends a church in Manhattan, but the church released a statement saying the real estate developer is not an "active member." Just another layer of lipstick on a pig and I'm not talking about Melania. There is a reason why she is staying in NY while "Barron finishes school". trump never recited the "Lord's Prayer." because he would need a teleprompter. Melania read it because she is not familiar with it and is a actress in the play for the day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxsNexkTfU and she is good at that. In fairness to the republicans here, acting is not limited to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr8Y9qguTgc http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/28/politics/donald-trump-church-member/

How come then, that Arnhem vets around the world who wanted to do this solo, in every case, were shunned? Including the UK. Their previous experience counted for nothing. The British Parachute community ran for the hills when approached about this. The vets who did do a jump on the day, in other countries without exception, did tandems. The only choice they got. Even my mob were turned down by two other organisations in NZ, one being the military. These guys are connected around the world, and they talk, and I know there was massive disappointment (not to mention a sense of rejection) that they were not able to jump solo in other countries. Thats what they all wanted, and tried to organise. My lot were, of course, stoked. Sounds like an old discussion here with regards to the BPA: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=4805055;page=3;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

There is a Russian saying. In your life you must.1. have a son. 2 build a house . 3 plant a tree. Now #4 find the truth. "The fourth estate in Russia Russia currently ranks 180 out of 199 countries for press freedom, behind Iraq, Sudan, and the Democratic Republic of Congo, according to the international watchdog Freedom House. Though it has never been known for its media independence, Russia’s press freedom and ranking have continuously decreased in the past decade under Putin. Here’s a breakdown we made using data from Freedom House for the years 2002 to 2015: Putin has been in power since 2000, when he was first elected president and when his regime began to commandeer the press. Sometimes this could mean a literal takeover. In 2000, authorities raided the offices of the major television network NTV and arrested its owner Vladmir Gusinsky for fraud. The charges were dropped once Gusinsky agreed to sell his media empire to a state-controlled company. More often, the Kremlin makes it difficult for independent outlets to operate in roundabout ways: denying broadcast licenses, coordinating providers to dump channels, banning advertising on cable, limiting foreign ownership of media and firing journalists for "extremism.".. Combining data from two nonprofits that records violations of press rights (the New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists and the Moscow-based Glasnost Defense Foundation), we found that at least 34 journalists have been murdered in Russia since 2000. (This tally only includes deaths confirmed or likely to be work-related homicides committed in Russia. It doesn’t include murders where the motives are unclear, or journalists killed in war and on other dangerous assignments, like covering the mob or riots.) For comparison, in the same time period, two journalists were murdered in China, while three were killed in the United States (including the on-air deaths of two television reporters in Virginia this year). Nina Ognianova, the coordinator for the Committee to Protect Journalists’ Europe and Central Asia program, said journalists covering corruption, human rights abuses, organized crime, and official wrongdoing can be "slain with impunity in Putin’s Russia." http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2016/jan/04/does-vladimir-putin-kill-journalists/

. Lol, do enlighten me. Only Russians, and ethnic Russian Ukrainians even care about the Ukrainian government that was overthrown. The fact that you even mention it gives you away. I think that Roy #3 honestly believes that five months in the UK is good enough. Sorry. A while back Roy #1 had his video feed on. So everyone here could see the background. The framed autographed picture of Svetlana Kapanina. "Thanks Roy for the fabulous meal at Café Pushkin the other day, love Svetlana." Now I'd be the first to admit that that is one fine piece of Mother Russia, for her age! Now I don't know what is better her or her Su-26. But she did look great when she got Russia's Order of Courage from president Vladimir Putin https://vimeo.com/143358719 And Roy... Its very disappointing to have Vladimir turn on our GREAT leader so fast! President Putin needs to have more loyalty. https://www.rt.com/viral/377981-trump-sweden-fox-news/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation

Easy Roy. the quarterly reviews for promotion are coming up. You have to keep your cool. You can't always rely upon Roy #2 to straighten things up on all the sites and forums where you messed things up. Evginey Mikhailovich Bogachev, Aleksey Alekseyevich Belan, Cozy Bear,Fancy Bear and your other friends are going to be hiring again. Do good and there will be more work. Perhaps even Papa Bear! Do good there, even the FSB! Further reading: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-clapper-idUSKBN14P0G5 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/16/russias-cyber-warriors-should-west-do/

Well its not true that Putin issued a international arrest warrant for Soros; "Soros, who has attracted so many conspiracy theories that a Wikipedia page has been dedicated to them, is not on Interpol’s list of people wanted by Russia for international arrest and extradition. None of the articles, tellingly, say what charges Putin supposedly wants to extradite Soros for, other than a vague claim that he is a “threat to Russian national security.” In 2015, the Russian government did ban Soros’ charities, the Open Society Foundations (OSF) and the Open Society Institute, claiming they represented a threat to the country’s security:" http://www.snopes.com/putin-issues-arrest-warrant-for-george-soros/ "Open Society Foundations (OSF), formerly the Open Society Institute, is an international grantmaking network founded by business magnate George Soros.[2] Open Society Foundations financially support civil society groups around the world, with a stated aim of advancing justice, education, public health and independent media.[3][4] The OSF has branches in 37 countries,[5] encompassing a group of country and regional foundations, such as the Open Society Initiative for West Africa, and the Open Society Initiative for Southern Africa; its headquarters are in New York, New York. Since its founding in 1993, OSF has reported expenditures of over $11 billion.[6] The group's name is inspired by Karl Popper's 1945 book The Open Society and Its Enemies.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Society_Foundations "Glenn Beck's conspiracy theory On November 9, 2010, American conservative television host Glenn Beck aired an hour-long television program, titled The Puppet Master, dedicated to Soros (which he had announced as “D-Day for George Soros”).[6] Accusations he made during this program, specifically that Soros collaborated with the Nazis as a child and that “many people would call him an antisemite”, have met with condemnation from groups including the Anti-Defamation League and The American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and Their Descendants.[7][8] Beck continued discussing Soros in his programs of November 10, 2010, and November 11, 2010, making additional claims including that Soros, with the help of others, is attempting to collapse the United States economy in order to help create a new world order.[9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros_conspiracy_theories BELOW A STORY FROM THE BBC it explains Putin, Russia, Soros. "A grizzly visage stares out of the TV screen. It is the face of an old man, but with the flesh on one side stripped away to reveal an eyeball in a cavernous socket. Behind him is a rack of gold bars. Is it a cyborg from the Hollywood sci-fi thriller Terminator? No, it is George Soros, the 85-year-old US billionaire financier and political activist, who is rapidly becoming Russian TV's new chief bogeyman. The scary image was shown on the St-Petersburg-based pro-Kremlin Channel Five TV last November, around the time Soros's Open Society Foundations (OSF) network was effectively banned from operating in Russia after being declared a "foreign agent". Starting from the 1980s, Soros's various foundations have spent hundreds of millions of dollars promoting the billionaire financier's vision of a civil society in Russia. This has included funding various educational projects, backing independent media and human rights organisations and supporting the cause of LGBT equality. But for the Kremlin and its powerful array of loyal media, Soros and his foundations appear to represent a threat to the Russian state. In the report by Channel Five, Soros's educational activities were portrayed as an attempt both to indoctrinate Russian children in Western propaganda, but also to undermine the country's academic life by luring the most talented students abroad. It also highlighted the role of Soros-funded organisations in the series of so-called "colour revolutions" that have occurred in a number of post-Soviet countries, including Georgia and Ukraine. Soros's dream was said to be to stage a "colour revolution" in Moscow. These days, whenever Russian state TV reports on protests in eastern Europe or the former Soviet Union, Soros's name never seems to be far away. During anti-government protests in Macedonia last May, Russia's main official TV channel Rossiya 1 highlighted accusations that the OSF was paying football hooligans to provoke violent clashes with the police. The following month, it suggested that Soros and the US government were attempting to hijack demonstrations in Armenia provoked by electricity price rises. Fixation Soros is certainly one of Putin's most outspoken and high-profile critics. In an article in the The New York Review of Books in 2014 he argued that "Europe is facing a threat from Russia to its very existence". Just over a year later, he a made a similar warning in a syndicated article headlined: "Putin is a bigger threat to Europe than ISIS". Still, the amount of attention he gets on Russian state TV is remarkable. According to data from media monitoring service Medialogiya, in the past calendar year his name has featured in no fewer than 74 reports in news bulletins on Rossiya 1 alone. Moreover, there is no sign of the fixation letting up. During the recent coverage of the Panama Papers, Rossiya 1 and the other main state TV station, Channel One, both implied that revelations about the offshore dealings of Putin's inner circle were part of an anti-Kremlin conspiracy involving both Soros and the US government. The Kremlin's international broadcaster, RT (formerly known was Russia Today) made similar claims. Their basis for doing so was that the OSF indirectly funds the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), which has been facilitating the coverage of the Panama Papers. Both RT and Channel One featured a Scottish commentator named John Wight saying that Soros "with a cheque-book has done more to destabilise governments around the world than most governments could ever dream of with armies at their disposal". Rossiya 1 and Channel One also highlighted the OSF's role in backing the "Yes" vote in the recent Dutch referendum on the EU's association agreement with Ukraine. According to the Dutch broadcaster NOS, the OSF donated 200,000 euros to the "Yes" Campaign in the vote on the EU-Ukraine association agreement. But Russian state TV made it sound as if Soros was trying to buy the referendum outright. New bogeyman Even after the effective banning of the OSF in Russia, state TV has continued to use Soros's name to target Kremlin critics. A recent film by Gazprom-owned NTV began by asserting that the "US State Department and billionaire George Soros are secretly financing Russia's opposition media". But the film's accusations were based mainly on loans some regional media have received from the Media Development Investment Fund (MDIF), of which the OSF is just one of several backers. During most of Putin's rule, Russian state TV would routinely try to discredit his opponents by linking them to exiled oligarch Boris Berezovsky. But following Berezovsky's death in 2013, the role of chief bogeyman seems now to have been given to George Soros. http://www.bbc.co.uk/monitoring/soros-is-russian-tvs-new-bogeyman Above Berezovsky: "Boris Abramovich Berezovsky (Russian:was a Russian business oligarch, government official, engineer and mathematician. He was a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Berezovsky was politically opposed to the President of Russia Vladimir Putin, since Putin's election in 2000 and remained a vocal critic of Putin for the rest of his life.[10] In late 2000, after the Russian Deputy Prosecutor General demanded that Berezovsky appear for questioning, he did not return from abroad and moved to the UK, which granted him political asylum in 2003.[11] In Russia he was later convicted in absentia of fraud and embezzlement. The first charges were brought during Primakov's government in 1999.[12] Despite an Interpol Red Notice for Berezovsky's arrest, Russia repeatedly failed to obtain the extradition of Berezovsky from Britain, which became a major point of diplomatic tension between the two countries... Berezovsky was found dead at his home, Titness Park, at Sunninghill, near Ascot in Berkshire, on 23 March 2013.[27][28] A post-mortem examination found that his death was consistent with hanging and that there were no signs of a violent struggle.[29] However the coroner at the inquest into Berezovsky's death later recorded an open verdict.[30] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky_(businessman) Even the FSB gets away from MI6 on occasion. Further reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/opinion/campaign-stops/is-trump-obsessed-with-putin-and-russia.html

A guy that admits his time confiscating property from Jews immediately prior to them being killed in genicide, was one of the best times of his life... I think your satanic radar needs a tune...If there is such a thing. Lol Welcome back comrade. Up here in the north we call this sort of innane idiot commentary "going off the reservation". In honour of our racist past. Of the many Royreader8812 shift workers posting here under that name, I prefer the one that occasionally makes sense. When is he due back? IMO there are three.

Did you ever stop to find out how old Soros was during WW2? Perhaps Ron wants to fund a new church to spread the word of the lord. His friend and the million dollars he is offering would go a long way. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/17/vladimir-putin-to-george-soros-thank-god-we-kicked-you-out-of-russia/ "Veterans Today (VT) is a website that bills itself as a "military veterans and foreign affairs journal." And, indeed, many of its contributors are military veterans or veterans' advocates from across the political spectrum. VT also offers some information about veterans' benefits (lifted from the Veterans' Administration) and links to home and other loans for vets. But start reading the posts, and you'll find something else entirely: myriad claims that there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 (Israel orchestrated it, in cahoots with the American government), that the American government is a puppet (of Israel), that the Holocaust never happened or was greatly exaggerated (Jews made it up to manipulate non-Jews), and, most recently, that Julian Assange, the man behind Wikileaks, is a pawn (of Israel). Notice a theme? Gordon Duff, the senior editor and chairman of the board at VT, is a prolific proponent of these anti-Israel conspiracy theories, including the Wikileaks claims. Though he does occasionally write on issues and policies that directly affect American veterans (he claims to be a Marine Vietnam veteran), most of his ammo is reserved for churning out articles that claim 9/11 was a U.S./Israel conspiracy and that Israel controls the U.S. government. According to Duff and VT contributors like author and attorney Jeff Gates, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a civil rights watchdog group, and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a lobbying group, are Zionist-controlled fronts for Israeli intelligence operations.: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda James H. Fetzer, Founder of Veterans Today "In the early 1990s, Fetzer started promoting John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories, later 9/11 conspiracy theories, Holocaust denial, conspiracy theories regarding the 2002 death of Senator Paul Wellstone and more recently Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories. He cofounded Scholars for 9/11 Truth in 2005,[7] and claims that the United States government, Israeli government and Israeli Mossad are involved in these and other conspiracies. Fetzer's allegations and speculations have drawn strong criticism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Fetzer This is the Russian response to the Independent newspaper's story on Soros. As aforementioned the Russian government has a full press job to attack and discredit Mr. Soros. Together with the usual gang, Alex Jones,Breitbart,Zerohedge, et-al. https://www.rt.com/op-edge/332387-soros-putin-russia-threat-migrants/ The commonality between trump, Russia, Putin, Breitbart, Jones, bannon, miller, etc. should be getting clearer now. How they are all linked together.

And yet Kallend, Bill, Quade and company seem to be OK with that. They want to talk around the problem instead of addressing it at it's core. Feds need to lock up the Union Leaders of the CPD. "Of the 25 officers with the most complaints, a dozen have been involved in recent lawsuits that either ended in settlements or judgments against the city, costing taxpayers at least $4.3 million, according to an online database compiled by The Chicago Reporter analyzing city payouts from just 2012 to 2015. The manner in which the police have dealt with citizen complaints — particularly those involving allegations of excessive force — is at the center of the U.S. Justice Department's ongoing civil rights probe into whether police have systematically trampled citizens' rights. The investigation began in December shortly after the release of the now-infamous dashcam video showing a police officer shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald 16 times in 2014. Emanuel has responded to the political fallout of the McDonald scandal by announcing changes aimed at staying ahead of federal authorities who could seek to enforce reforms. His plan for a new oversight agency, the Civilian Office of Police Accountability, includes significant changes in the way complaints are handled — including allowing investigators to consider officers' complaint histories in investigating new allegations and restricting the process of mediation that led to hundreds of cases being resolved with light punishments. The data release on Wednesday came three months after an Illinois appeals court unanimously ruled the disciplinary records must be released under the Freedom of Information Act." http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/ct-chicago-police-complaints-met-20161013-story.html "CHICAGO — Racism has contributed to a long pattern of institutional failures by the Chicago Police Department in which officers have mistreated people, operated without sufficient oversight, and lost the trust of residents, a task force appointed by Mayor Rahm Emanuel has found. The report, issued on Wednesday, was blistering, blunt and backed up by devastating statistics. Coincidentally, it was released as city leaders were installing a new, permanent superintendent for the Chicago Police Department. “C.P.D.’s own data gives validity to the widely held belief the police have no regard for the sanctity of life when it comes to people of color,” the task force wrote. “Stopped without justification, verbally and physically abused, and in some instances arrested, and then detained without counsel — that is what we heard about over and over again.” The report reinforces complaints made for decades by African-American residents who have said they were unfairly singled out by officers without justification on a regular basis, then ignored when they raised complaints." https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/us/chicago-police-dept-plagued-by-systemic-racism-task-force-finds.html?_r=0 https://theintercept.com/2016/10/06/in-the-chicago-police-department-if-the-bosses-say-it-didnt-happen-it-didnt-happen/

Did you ever stop to find out how old Soros was during WW2? Why bother. It fits with a certain Fascist narrative that appeals to certain groups. "Wow, indeed. As hoaxes go, this one was neither plausible nor hard to disprove. Given that Soros — born in 1930 — was only nine years old when World War II began and 14 when the war ended in Europe in 1945, he couldn’t have joined the SS, whose minimum age requirement was 17, even if he had wanted to. Moreover, Soros would never have met the SS requirement for pure “Aryan” heritage. Quite to the contrary, Soros grew to adolescence as a persecuted Jew in Nazi-occupied Budapest. The mislabeled photo is easily debunked using a reverse image search. The young man portrayed in the Waffen SS uniform is Oskar Groening, a Nazi who served at Auschwitz from 1942 through the end of World War II:" http://www.snopes.com/george-soros-ss-nazi-germany/ http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/11/28/breitbart-uses-nazi-inspired-anti-semitic-rhetoric-george-soros-attack/214641 The anti Jewish smear campaign against Soros: "Influential financial analysts Zerohedge claim George Soros “singlehandedly created the European refugee crisis”; xenophobic rag Breitbart says Soros’s funding of Black Lives Matter was part of an agenda to swing the US presidential election; and Donald Trump’s favourite crank Alex Jones says “Soros is behind the Muslim takeover of the West”. In August, hackers thought to be linked to the Russian government stole thousands of documents from Soros’s foundation’s servers and put them online, placing at risk many of the brave individuals the foundation funds. As the world turns to the hard right, one man has become a figure of hate for resurgent nationalists across the globe: Soros has become the No 1 target for the alt-right – a figure central to wild conspiracy theories – because nationalists want to destroy for good the idea that democracy or liberal values can be promoted, or encouraged." http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/george-soros-caused-refugee-crisis-breitbart-muslim-takeover-biggest-threat-alt-right-global-a7419291.html Russian media is especially active against Soros for his support of Eastern European democracy's. https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-orgs-driving-trump-protests/ Here is a free pdf version of a book that should be required reading in every church in America. Every school. "Sinclair Lewis Novel 'It Can't Happen Here' Sells Out Online Kerry Close Nov 16, 2016 Some voters—shell-shocked by the results of the 2016 presidential election—are rushing to buy the book that Donald Trump's critics say may have predicted his rise 80 years ago. In the wake of Donald Trump's election, copies of Sinclair Lewis's 1935 satirical political novel It Can't Happen Here has sold out on some major online book retailers, including Amazon and Books-a-Million. The novel—which was written as Adolf Hitler rose to power in Nazi Germany—tells the story of a fascist takeover in America. The main character, Buzz Windrip, appeals to voters with a mix of crass language and nativist ideology. Once elected, he solidifies his power by energizing his base against immigrants, people on welfare, and the liberal press. The novel has been called "frighteningly contemporary" in the wake of the Trump campaign and election. As Slate wrote in September 2015: With his careful mix of plainspoken honesty and reactionary delusion, Trump is following an old rhetorical playbook, one defined and employed successfully in the 1936 presidential campaign of [Windrip]. If you'd like to read the novel, you can still order it through Barnes & Noble, or by checking to see if your local brick-and-mortar bookstore has it in stock (or by going to the library!). You can also place an order for the novel on Amazon and the online retailer will ship it to you once it restocks its copies." http://time.com/money/4573801/sinclair-lewis-it-cant-happen-here-amazon/ $8.79 at amazon. For DZ speakers corner, Free book is here: http://www.bookyards.com/en/book/details/15208/It-Can-T-Happen-Here#.WKsTDX88Z0w

IMO this thread has wandered into deep space.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/203984-illegal-immigrants-benefit-the-us-economy You will not find a area of investigation with as much spin and faulty study as this. There are hundreds of studies which have the originating intent of proving a net cost or net benefit relating to undocumented immigrants. http://business.time.com/2013/01/30/the-economics-of-immigration-who-wins-who-loses-and-why/ http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21705699-who-are-main-economic-losers-low-skilled-immigration-wage-war There are so many factors in play that only universities, large think tank economists and governments can really comprehensively cover the variables. Generally speaking they are a net benefit. Not as huge a benefit as the left would argue. But for certain not a negative economic impact on the economy.One of the studies below suggests that there is a negative correlation between US spending on immigration border enforcement. That means for every $1 spent on immigration border enforcement the return is about 97 cents. This is of course a separate issue from drug, gun, smuggling etc. Further reading both of these will give you a fairly comprehensive and honest view: https://gps.ucsd.edu/_files/faculty/hanson/hanson_publication_immigration_illegal.pdf https://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/gborjas/publications/popular/CIS2013.pdf

IMO this explains the court better: "Fox News host Sean Hannity says it’s no surprise that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against President Donald Trump and his executive order on immigration. "We have both been predicting for days now the 9th Circuit — the most liberal court of appeals, the most overturned court in the country — it would act this way," Hannity said on his show Feb. 9, speaking with a guest... In our research, we found that the 9th Circuit has a higher-than-average reversal rate, but not the highest. Additionally, experts told us that counting reversals doesn’t necessarily say much about the quality or substance of the 9th Circuit’s work... In fact, the Supreme Court reversed about 70 percent of cases it took between 2010-15. Among cases it reviewed from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, it reversed about 79 percent. The 9th Circuit’s reversal rate is higher than average, but it’s not the absolute highest among the circuit courts. That distinction goes to the 6th Circuit, which serves Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky and Tennessee, with an 87 percent average between 2010-15. The 9th Circuit is in third place... We also found that the 9th Circuit never had the highest reversal rate in any individual term between 2004-15. (That’s the farthest back we could go.) A spokesperson for Hannity pointed us to a 2014 article in National Review titled, "Ninth Circuit Leading the Pack for ‘Most Reversed.’ " But the evidence presented in the article does not support the headline. So Hannity’s claim that the 9th Circuit is the "most overturned court in the country" is incorrect... This means the Supreme Court generally reverses far less than 1 percent of all the cases the 9th Circuit (and other circuits) decide... While the 9th Circuit has a higher than average reversal rate among cases it sends to the Supreme Court, it has not had the highest rate since at least 2004 (the oldest data point we could find). Even if it did, experts told us that the massive size of the 9th Circuit compared to the handful of cases it sends to the Supreme Court every year make reversal rates an imperfect measure of the quality of the 9th Circuit’s decisions. More broadly, experts say this statistic is a poor way of comparing courts. We rate Hannity’s claim False." http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/feb/10/sean-hannity/no-9th-circuit-isnt-most-overturned-court-country-/ Hannity is a Fox news reporter that started the whole 9th circuit b.s. rouge court story. Too bad its completely misleading. This story was a Fox news originating report. i.e. it was Fox news reporting that started this entire story. Given that its not only wrong but orientated to mislead its viewers to the orientation of the political ideology of the reporter. Its especially egregious.

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Flawed study as the first six are all good, but I'd just as soon leave the last two off the menu.

You do realize there's a good reason most First Ladies don't generally open speeches with prayers; yes? What you call "powerful" a lot of other people consider to be "shameless pandering" and "pretty damn close to violating the establishment clause." There has always been a strong US identity of politicians and presidents to wrap their message around the flag and God. Like NASCAR uses God and the flag to deliver its brand to its market. It frames the message, the group and establishes the messenger as being worthy to speak to the group. To deliver his message. It was a small separation of this when Mitt Romney, a Mormon, brought his message of "GOD" to the voter. "Religious attitudes are often formed early in life and are a continual part of an individual’s social- ization in American culture (Carroll & Roof, 1993; Steensland et al., 2000). One need only think of the frequency with which Christmas and nativity displays are present in public locations and the commonplace structure of public school vaca- tions around Christmas and Easter. Attitudes socialized early in life, in turn, significantly shape social beliefs and attitudes later in life " This saves time, expense and energy for politicians. A independent, atheist would have a difficult time framing his identity and commonness with a US voting block. "According to the Pew Research Center, in 2014, 22.8% of the American population does not identify with a religion, including atheists" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_the_United_States " In short, even among Americans who may report that they desire less religious language in politics, and who may say they are open to candidates of non- Christian faiths, these Christian religious appeals can have resonance without their awareness" Further reading" https://faculty.washington.edu/agg/pdf/Sheets&al.PolPsych.2011.pdf So even if you don't believe in forgiveness, integrity, honesty, respect for others, compassion, protecting the weak, the injured, the vulnerable. Just use the flag, God and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wrk9nJK_lVI

One of the most true things I've seen from you. But the link doesn't work. If you fix it I'll read it! Knock yourself out: http://stobblehouse.com/text/ACIM.pdf

SO what? She married you, so that indicates a lot. What a pompous prick. I could come up with at least a half dozen jokes about you and your X-number of wives, but even I wouldn't stoop so low. This country would be blessed to have your students become only half the piece of donkey shit that you are. . . Oh lighten up. Ron brought her name into the equation as having similar views to himself.

Perhaps "well oiled machine" would be more appropriate. Don Yes well oiled: "According to one source familiar with Priebus’ list, hedge fund manager and campaign bundler Lew Eisenberg will be named ambassador to Italy; Duke Buchan, another Wall Street financier who was among the earliest to bet big on Trump, will be ambassador to Spain; and Georgette Mosbacher, an entrepreneur and Fox News contributor, is likely to serve as ambassador to either Luxembourg or Belgium... "They certainly were not chosen by Tillerson," the source familiar with the list explained. "These were not Tillerson choices at all." According to a source close to Trump's vetting process for ambassadorships, it's not unusual for a president to have a list of big donors and others for plum ambassador jobs, but it is a little unorthodox to be nominating so many ambassadors before other key positions were filled, like deputy secretary jobs. Hillary Clinton, for instance, had more sway in picking the ambassadors when she was secretary of state, but President Barack Obama's top aides also provided a list. .. The ambassadors were not chosen for their diplomatic or foreign policy experience, this person said. "They are political types and donors, the usual suspects for ambassadors," this person said. "The ambassadors are not ‘drain the swamp’ kind of people." http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-ignoring-cabinet-235124