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EXACTLY why I was trying to jog your memory. He wasn't trying to walk away. He had nothing in his hands, was given all kinds of commands, he then obtained 2 knives and took one step forward, then back. He then reached around and was bending over. WHO knows why, possibly finally complying for the police as requested, or reaching for a gun I dont know, they diddnt know. Thats when they shot. How is that exactly? They were "Charged" the next step in the case will be a preliminary hearing where a judge will decide whether the case can proceed. The officers have not been booked or arrested. WAS under investigation thats over, they are in the settlement and reform process. Have I defended the actions of these cops? All I did was make a true statement that the guy had two knives which you replied its been a while, IIRC, etc...... I counted no less than 4 less than lethal devices. They should have bean bagged the fuck out of him until he dropped the knives IMO. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

No I just found that out today at 1:51 see my post when it came out in the interview. His girlfriend was the one calling him communist. Im the one calling him/they bigots. My feelings for the subject existed before I even mistakenly knew that CH was the name of the office only, and not the name of the office, and owner. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Try this out, it made my cry a little inside. http://pennystocks.la/warren-buffett/ Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Once again the failure to see ACTIVE vs PASSIVE actions. No one on wallstreet was getting up every day going you know what im gonna make the biggest trade today just to say fuck you Bin Laden. The US economy wasn't actively focused for the last 2 years before 9/11 on making money to fuck over Osama. We were not making ads, to air in the middle east touting our boooming economy, or showing Americans in sports cars just to fuck with them There is a clear difference in what set them off. One simply was just a factual existence of the US that happened to be hated. The other a communist bigot got up every day and wrote comics to incite Muslims and knew it would one day kill him, as his family knew also. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

, and Youtube. When I heard that I thought who fucking cares, its not like were hiding secret nuclear launch codes on the US twitter or Youtube account, its just silly hacking. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

You do know the man had knives in both hands right, it wasn't just a get on the ground, ooh well hes not doing it fast enough bang bang? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

That argument doesn't work. Your saying CH is equal to the US, and the cartoons are equal to the US economy. The problem is one is passive and one is an active provocation. CH was actively and consciously seeking to incite and offend the Muslims(which includes terrorists). The US economy simply existed as a factual thing that someone hated. The US was not growing our economy to actively say FUCK you bin laden and sending him copies of all our bank statements to infuriate him.... On one hand you have a passive entity that was unintentional and simply existed for someone to hate. That could be anything, the color of your shoes if someone was crazy enough to hate because of that. The other was actively seeking to infuriate the muslims. Once again its the terrorists fault for the murders, and CH did not deserve to die, but they hold some of the responsibility for bringing this to their doorstep. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Who is SUPPORTING the murders here? I for one will volunteer to be the one to fly the predator missile up all the terrorists ass for this. Dont confuse my opinion of CH's bigoted and purposely inciteful comics as excuse for terrorism and murder. Im only commenting on personal responsibility, and consequences of ones actions. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

If you read around at some other journalists opinions of CH after the attacks, they are not blaming them for their deaths, but they are saying that most editors take into account the welfare of their workers lives when agreeing to print shit comics like theirs. Especially now they are refusing to print, or reprint CH just because of that. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/11/charlie-hebdo-cartoons-uk-press-publish Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I guess most people here just cant see the difference in a blind random terror attack of opportunity(beheaded journalists), broad unprovoked(other than they did not like American traditions and ideology as a whole) attack on an entire city(s)(9/11), and an attack on a particular set of named people(kill list) for their 4 year deliberate bigoted, attacks on a certain religion for which they have been bombed, death threats, advised against by government, received governmental protection, and flipped a finger at(Charms statement to islam on his willingness to die), which his girlfriend knew he was going to die for, and begged him to leave the country. 2 of those were not actively provoked attacks. Charlie Hebdo was actively attacking their eventual killers, and did not heed the warning signs. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

His girlfriend knew what he was doing, and she knew he was going to die, and she knew he knew he was going to die. But he continued, how is that not being responsible for the actions of your death even if not on some small part. Im not placing all the blame on Charlie. The terrorist did the killing, but if responsibility were to be laid out some would apply to Charlie Hebdo as well. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903278/Girlfriend-murdered-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-editor-says-knew-going-die-blames-police-failng-prevent-massacre.html Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Why is it so important that it be a US study? Are you trying to show that the US thinks anyone east of Maine is a Muslim? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Wut...... Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I already stated my answer to this. -Post #221 Obviously not criminally liable. Wouldnt supprise me if family members sued civilly, in the court of public opinion it is 50/50 on them being responsible, or at least the cause of the hostage deaths. Even the Al Jazeera staff are torn about it. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/al-jazeera-staff-torn-over-whether-charlie-hebdo-provoked-terrorists/article/2558476 How about Obamas words after Benghazi, it speak alot to being tolerant and not inciting other religions as that breeds an excuse for violence. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/25/remarks-president-un-general-assembly We do so because given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression; it is more speech -- the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect. Now, I know that not all countries in this body share this particular understanding of the protection of free speech. We recognize that. But in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete. The question, then, is how do we respond? And on this we must agree: There is no speech that justifies mindless violence. (Applause.) There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There's no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. There's no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan. In this modern world with modern technologies, for us to respond in that way to hateful speech empowers any individual who engages in such speech to create chaos around the world. We empower the worst of us if that’s how we respond. More broadly, the events of the last two weeks also speak to the need for all of us to honestly address the tensions between the West and the Arab world that is moving towards democracy. Now, let me be clear: Just as we cannot solve every problem in the world, the United States has not and will not seek to dictate the outcome of democratic transitions abroad. We do not expect other nations to agree with us on every issue, nor do we assume that the violence of the past weeks or the hateful speech by some individuals represent the views of the overwhelming majority of Muslims, any more than the views of the people who produced this video represents those of Americans. However, I do believe that it is the obligation of all leaders in all countries to speak out forcefully against violence and extremism. (Applause.) It is time to marginalize those who -- even when not directly resorting to violence -- use hatred of America, or the West, or Israel, as the central organizing principle of politics. For that only gives cover, and sometimes makes an excuse, for those who do resort to violence. That brand of politics -- one that pits East against West, and South against North, Muslims against Christians and Hindu and Jews -- can’t deliver on the promise of freedom. To the youth, it offers only false hope. Burning an American flag does nothing to provide a child an education. Smashing apart a restaurant does not fill an empty stomach. Attacking an embassy won’t create a single job. That brand of politics only makes it harder to achieve what we must do together: educating our children, and creating the opportunities that they deserve; protecting human rights, and extending democracy’s promise. Understand America will never retreat from the world. We will bring justice to those who harm our citizens and our friends, and we will stand with our allies. We are willing to partner with countries around the world to deepen ties of trade and investment, and science and technology, energy and development -- all efforts that can spark economic growth for all our people and stabilize democratic change. But such efforts depend on a spirit of mutual interest and mutual respect. No government or company, no school or NGO will be confident working in a country where its people are endangered. For partnerships to be effective our citizens must be secure and our efforts must be welcomed. A politics based only on anger -- one based on dividing the world between "us" and "them" -- not only sets back international cooperation, it ultimately undermines those who tolerate it. All of us have an interest in standing up to these forces. Let us remember that Muslims have suffered the most at the hands of extremism. On the same day our civilians were killed in Benghazi, a Turkish police officer was murdered in Istanbul only days before his wedding; more than 10 Yemenis were killed in a car bomb in Sana’a; several Afghan children were mourned by their parents just days after they were killed by a suicide bomber in Kabul. The impulse towards intolerance and violence may initially be focused on the West, but over time it cannot be contained. The same impulses toward extremism are used to justify war between Sunni and Shia, between tribes and clans. It leads not to strength and prosperity but to chaos. In less than two years, we have seen largely peaceful protests bring more change to Muslim-majority countries than a decade of violence. And extremists understand this. Because they have nothing to offer to improve the lives of people, violence is their only way to stay relevant. They don’t build; they only destroy. It is time to leave the call of violence and the politics of division behind. On so many issues, we face a choice between the promise of the future, or the prisons of the past. And we cannot afford to get it wrong. We must seize this moment. And America stands ready to work with all who are willing to embrace a better future. The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt -- it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women -- it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons. (Applause.) The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country’s resources -- it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs, the workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the women and men that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support. The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied. (Applause.) Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims and Shiite pilgrims. It’s time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." (Applause.) Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, that’s the vision we will support. Among Israelis and Palestinians, the future must not belong to those who turn their backs on a prospect of peace. Let us leave behind those who thrive on conflict, those who reject the right of Israel to exist. The road is hard, but the destination is clear -- a secure, Jewish state of Israel and an independent, prosperous Palestine. (Applause.) Understanding that such a peace must come through a just agreement between the parties, America will walk alongside all who are prepared to make that journey. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Ooh shit my bad, I was the one to post the skepticism of the existence of the zones with that fox post, and I then read JB's (from france) post as; There is just "no-Go zones for non Muslims" instead of There is just no "no-Go zones for non Muslims" Ok I now turn the skepticism back on as I research it thanks for pointing that out. I figured he being from France they would know first hand, but I missed the NO-NO lol. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Is there a sign in the Middle East that says that, or it is just understood? Pls provide proof of picture. If not your making up shit arguments. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I was speaking to the thread title They exist but not as fox stated. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I already posted that link above, but not to diminish the thread he was wrong about birmingham, but not wrong about the existiance of unofficial "no go zones" as a French person here confirmed it exists. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

There is a difference in being the only white man in a bar that is 100% black where you know you probably are not welcome and getting beat up while quietly drinking in the corner VS Being in the same bar, standing in a table and yelling nigger until your beat up...... However you take it if it makes you feel better I will say it this way. I'm not supprised by what happened due to their actions. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Your the one distorting things. The beheaded journalists did not travel there to take pictures BECAUSE they knew Muslims would not like it. There are risks for journalist in a war zone but they were not out there with cardboard cutouts of Mohammed asking terrorists to stand next to them so they could photograph them. There is a difference in the intent and actions of Charlie Hebdo(staff) that Steven Sotloff, and James Foley did not exhibit.. Its clear we will not agree on this, and your just being a troll. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Kind of like a white person in the hood after dark, I get that. Here is fox news with its foot in mouth after "expert" was on about this subject and made up a few no go zones of his own. http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/_foxnewfacts_trends_worldwide_after_fox_expert_completely_makes_up_fake_story Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Because they were not actively perusing any inciteful relationship with their attackers, simply being a journalist. Its like our drunk guy in a bar example. Hebdo was the drunk asshole yelling insults in the air at a certain race, creed, or religion, and got beat up V.S. the Journalists who were beheaded were simply sitting at the bar quietly and got sucker punched in the back of the head for simply being in the wrong neighborhood. If you cant see the difference in actively inciting your attacker, and being a victim of an attack simply because you existed in a certain space time location they did not like either your blinded by your views, or your consciously ignoring it to continue to be a troll here and argue with people. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Funny when Terry was trying to incite the Muslims in the way Charley Hebdo was doing by attacking their religion, this is the response from the top leaders in the US including Obama. They all agreed that simply making a statement and burning the quran could and most likely would lead to violence, but those here cant see how it was possibly Charlie Hebdo's fault. Obama realized it could cause actual violence, and im saying the same thing in a past tense, that they posted those comics, and it DID incite violence which ended up on their doorstep as they were warned by their own government could happen with enough credibility it required police protection. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

I will lay it out for you jakee so you can move on to posting more insane reasons why you cant see how the attacks were provocated. -History since 2011 of publishing intentional bigoted drawings and specialized in Islamophobia. Not terrorists which all countries have made fun of, but the Muslim religion as a whole. -Was fire bombed, and had many ongoing death threats. -Defied the French governments advice and after appearing on a list of Al Qaeda’s targets, was under government protection -The editorial director lashed out and stated he was ready to die for the cause, and would rather die standing than live on his knees -Published a picture of a hapless-looking man, dressed in the style of many Islamic extremists, under the words “still no attacks in France.” The extremist, in a speech bubble, pointed out that he had until the end of January to present his New Year’s wishes. -After that the foreign minister at the time Laurent Fabius stated “Is it really sensible or intelligent to pour oil on the fire?” When they were forced to close French embassies, consulates, cultural centers and schools in about 20 countries. Does everyone deserve free speech YES. Does anyone deserve to die because of it NO. Is terrorism bad YES. The murders by the terrorists are horrible overreaction, that deserves the harshest punishment YES. Did the people responsible for the continued provocation after credible threats get what they were asking for. Sadly YES. Im not saying its good, or its right, but if you cant see the chain of events that led to this your blind. Remove the links of continued bigoted, and hatred comics towards Muslims put out BY Charlie Hebdo, and led by Charb and their deaths would have not happened that day. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

Your argument appears to be from those who cant take responsibility for their own actions. I bet daddy bought you a new car every time you dented yours diddn't he. He probably told you it was always the other drivers fault huh. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,