warpedskydiver

John Rich converted me about 4 years ago. I have a very consistent record on this since then

Yep any weapon we want except NBC's and the like. when was the last time someone in the US robbed a liquor store with a crew served weapon? Does anyone think some gangbanger is gonna plop down 20k for a large caliber belt fed weapon? How will the gangmember carry that in the waistband of his droopy pants? not to mention holding it sideways so it's more "Natro"

Why does that matter? The FACT is that the voters have expressed dissatisfaction with the way Bushco has been running things. That is a very important message to give. It's called "accountability". John you are making huge assumptions as to why each voter cast his or her ballot for any candidate.

August 24, 1994 Gun Bans and "Schindler's List" by William R Tonso & David B. Kopel "I think that Schindler's List should be required viewing for everybody in this room." Schindler's List, of course, is the Academy Award-winning movie about the Holocaust. The speaker was crime victim Suzanna Gratia, and the setting was a U.S. House subcommittee hearing on the so-called "assault- weapon" ban. Among the people who Dr. Gratia felt should be required to view this movie were two congressmen supportive of the most restrictive gun controls: Jewish Congressman Charles Schumer (D-New York), and Black Congressman Mel Reynolds (D-Illinois). She may as well have been speaking to a couple of sign posts. Then again, maybe seeing the movie would not have helped Representative Schumer or Reynolds, since the movie omitted a critical part of the real story: the part where Schindler gives all the Jews semiautomatic rifles. According to Mr. Schindler's wife Maria, when Schindler decided to liberate his Jewish workers, he handed them all semiautomatic weapons so they could fight the Nazis. In today's politically correct Hollywood, Steven Speilberg probably would have ruined his chances for an Oscar by telling the whole story about Oskar Schindler's devotion to freedom. The notion that genocide victims such as Bosnians or Rwandans should fight back, rather than counting on the United Nations or Bill Clinton to save their lives is not heard very often on the weekly news analysis programs. Even some survivors of the Holocaust seem to think that we'll all be safer if only the government has all the force. Consider the following letter that recently appeared in Guns & Ammo magazine: "I am a survivor of the Nazi death camp Treblinka and I remember just like it was yesterday how the Nazis came and forced me out or my home and into the death camp with their automatic weapons. I managed to survive the Holocaust and came to the United States. I settled in New York and saw gun violence everywhere. Later I learned that the United States says that Americans actually have a right to own guns. I just couldn't believe it and I promised myself to do all I could to stop the violence. I am writing this letter- to every pro-gun magazine in the United States hoping that maybe just one gun owner will decide to do the right thing and turn his guns in to the authorities." We still wonder if this letter should be taken at face value. Surely any Holocaust survivor would recognize that the guns used to victimize him or her were in the hands of the authorities; the same authorities that forbade the victims to possess guns for their own defense. And yet the views expressed by the writer, Samuel Goldberg. concerning the civilian possession of guns are apparently shared by many of the most politically and culturally influential of his ethnic kin in this country - politicians such as Schumer and Senators Howard Metzenbaum (D-Ohio) and Dianne Feinstein (D-California), plus a long list of other politicians, academics, and news and entertainment media personalities, But the lessons of the Holocaust weren't lost on Israel, where al law-abiding citizens are allowed to own and carry guns. Whatever else may befall Israel, the people there will never be murdered en masse by a dictatorial government. You see, in every one of the major genocides of the 20th century (Nazi, Soviet, Chinese, Cambodian, Ugandan, Guatemalan, and Armenian), the victims were first disarmed. As detailed in the new book Lethal Laws by Jay Simkin, Aaron Zelman, and Alan M. Rice, not every country with repressive gun laws has genocide. but every country with genocide has repressive gun laws. Put another way, a well-armed populace is a very effective guarantee against mass murder by the government. So in response to Mr. Goldberg's letter telling people to give the government their guns, Aaron Lippman wrote back that his Holocaust-survivor father insisted that "never again would he or his family be rounded up like sheep for the slaughter! They would have the will, the training, and the means to fight back. He taught us that to die fighting tyranny like this is preferable to what happened to our family and relatives under the Nazis." Even the scholarly and very liberal Constitutional law professor Sanford Levinson, no gun enthusiast, has acknowledged that "a state facing a tota11y disarmed population is in a far better position, for good or ill, to suppress popular demonstrations and uprisings than one that must calculate the possibilities of its soldiers and officials being injured of killed." Likewise, not all prominent blacks are as eager as Mel Reynolds to remove from the Bill of Rights a right which was so long denied blacks. After all, not being able to possess guns was a condition of slavery that guaranteed that slaves would remain slaves, and Blacks still have to look out for themselves in many parts of this country. Long-time National Chairman of the Congress of Racial Equality, Roy Innis, economists Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell, are among the prominent blacks who strongly reject the notion that law-abiding Americans must be disarmed to combat high rates or black-on-black violence. It's true, of course, that a risk associated with an armed populace is that occasionally even an individual who isn't part of the thug subculture may harm innocents with his weapons. Doctor Gratia herself survived a shooting rampage by a madman in a Texas cafeteria, Her parents weren't so lucky. However, the risk associated with an unarmed populace is that it can be enslaved or annihilated by a rogue government. Throughout history. the unarmed have been safe only as long as the armed (criminals or government agents) have allowed them to be safe. And Dr. Gratia reminded Representatives Schumer and Reynolds, our right to keep and bear arms was intended mainly as a means of protection against the kind of tyranny that the Founding Fathers knew was always possible, unless human nature were miraculously changed. Of course, the idea that government should be kept under strict control, or the idea that government could one day start killing people is deeply offensive to the statist movers and shakers of the gun control movement, including the current occupants of the White House. The dangers posed by government apparently are conveniently forgotten by many who become part of it. William R. Tonso is a professor of Sociology at the University of Evansvil1e. David B. Kopel is Research Director of the Independence Institute, a think-tank in Golden, Colorado.

Still doesn't explain how it's hypocritical. Are Jews in America notorious for their arsenals? Damn, are you not aware that Jews in Germany registered, then surrendered their firearms, prior to them being sent to the concentration/death camps? Still, not hypocritical. To be hypocritical is to do the very same that you preach against. If this guy is preaching against .50 cals but owns one himself, that would be hypocritical. Solely being Jewish does not make him hypocritical in this issue. You should invest in a dictionary. Schumer is said to have owned firearms and he is against all firearms. I think this is a case similar to Rosie O' Donnell She is anti gun but owns one and that is hypocritical as well. Shumer also has armed security and the rest of us do not.

Still doesn't explain how it's hypocritical. Are Jews in America notorious for their arsenals? Some are

Nothing will change except who is in power in congress. SSDD

Still doesn't explain how it's hypocritical. Are Jews in America notorious for their arsenals? Damn, are you not aware that Jews in Germany registered, then surrendered their firearms, prior to them being sent to the concentration/death camps?

Did you find the question leading in any way? I believe it was crafted to illicit only a yes response

yep I made a typo and omitted the word "Don't" Fixed now

I was referrring to Shumers apparent lack of memory of what happened to his own people in europe during WWII. They registered guns, had them conficated, and then went on a train ride.

Nothing happens in Yemen

Is this aimed specifically at .50 BMG, or would black powder replicas in .50 also be included? t All .50 cal

Yeah there inlies the hypocracy, a Jew telling us all we don't need to weapons to protect ourselves. His ancectors must be so proud.

Yesterday as I voted there was a referendum that read as follows: In the interest of the safety of our children and our neighborhoods would you be willing to have an assault weapons ban on all military style weapons and rifles that are .50cal? IMHO that is the most disgusting and dishonest way to pose a question to the voters in a LONG time. How the fuck can they get aways with stating things this way without ANY proof that the AWB stopeed any criminals at all? the FEDS could not make it work and spent billions and now the State of Illinois wants to do the very same thing. Just like the assholes that run this state to piss away all that money for no results and to ignore the real criminals instead. Passing laws is easy espeacially if you lie about the intent, implementing them and enforcment is another issue entirely. I will GLADLY leave this state if such a law passes.

He should hand out with "Pops" Nelson @SDC for a weekend and share some good times.

One jump with people trying to shoot you out of the sky is ALOT!

That is far too young to die, people if you aren't feeling well or having chest, or back pains go to the HOSPITAL ASAP! I am very saddened at the death of your son Spanky and personally, I cannot fathom the loss you must feel, and hope I never do. may your life be filled with wonderful memories.

Yesumesh

Matt how would you know any better than the rest of the people that disagree with you and GQ? I mean geez, don't you know that chairborne rangers knows more than all the rest of the Veterans in this country? BTW wtg GQ! congrats on being up for E7 in such a short time, sure beats mopping floors huh?

Depending on the arrogance and policies of this country towards the rest of the world has a huge bearing on it. When you have a grouip of men who staunchly believe in the rapture and end times prophecies.. and do EVERYTHING they can to bring on those predictions... I think its not too far off to have a global conflict and the fighting centered in the Middle East.. with the islamic world attacking us in ANY way they can here in this country... right thru those porous ports and borders that same group of men have done so little to secure. I agree with that and would add: Jean we all know it cuts both ways. I only hope we can at least go back to some kind of stability, even if that means some small ops still have to be carried out on a regular basis.

Damn that looks like a good time

I am going to see it tommorrow...I can't wait. Sacha Cohen is hilarious!

And to my sister and brother in Kent too. Are they running amok?

they hunt them in wisconsin