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Not legal? No Mexican driver's license for you By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY MEXICO CITY — The question of whether to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants has ignited a national debate in the United States. Yet in Mexico, the biggest source of immigrants to the USA, there's no debate: If you're not in the country legally, you can't get a driver's license. All of Mexico's 31 states, along with the federal district of Mexico City, require foreigners to present a valid visa if they want a driver's license, according to a survey of states by USA TODAY. "When it comes to foreigners, we're a little more strict here," said Alejandro Ruíz, director of education at the Mexican Automobile Association. The issue took the national spotlight after presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton said a move by the New York governor to give licenses to illegal immigrants "makes a lot of sense" during a debate. Proponents said the plan would have made the roads safer by ensuring that drivers are trained and insured, but the ensuing public outcry forced Gov. Eliot Spitzer to abandon the effort this week. U.S. Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y., filed a bill Wednesday that would bar states from any future attempts to give licenses to illegal immigrants. Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah and Washington allow drivers to get licenses without proving they are legal residents, according to the National Immigration Law Center. Most other states require applicants to prove they are citizens or legal residents. In Mexico, by contrast, the policy is similar across the country and often strictly enforced. "The fact that all 31 states in Mexico would have such a common-sense position … shows to me a certain hypocrisy on the part of the Mexican government, because they are constantly criticizing those of us in Congress who want immigration laws to be tougher up here," King said. Licensing offices in all of Mexico's 31 states, along with the Federal District, where Mexico City lies, said they require applicants to prove their citizenship, preferably by showing a voter registration card issued by the Federal Elections Institute. (Foreign tourists who are in Mexico temporarily can drive using their foreign licenses, the states said. Most U.S. states have a similar exemption for visitors.) Mexican officials said rules are strictly enforced, especially in southern states that have a problem with illegal immigrants from Central America. "Last week a man came here (with a tourist visa) and said he was working as a deliveryman," said Denia Gurgua, manager of the drivers' license office in Tuxtla Gutiérrez, the capital of Chiapas state. She said she denied him a license because he did not have a visa to work in Mexico. "Our constitution has certain restrictions for foreigners," she said. U.S. proponents of tougher restrictions worry that having a drivers' license helps legitimize illegal immigrants, making it harder to detect and remove them. But immigrant advocates say the two countries don't compare. U.S. states are trying to protect other motorists from millions of illegal immigrants who are already driving, said Tyler Moran, an expert on drivers' licenses at the National Immigration Law Center. There are an estimated 11.5 million undocumented people living in the USA. Mexico's pool of foreign residents is much smaller — about 500,000 people in a country of 105 million, census figures show. "It may be a bit like comparing apples and oranges," Moran said. U.S. states "are dealing in reality, and it's better public policy to have people actually have licenses, have identification, have insurance." Hawley is Latin America correspondent for USA TODAY and The Arizona Republic. Contributing: Sergio Solache

Gorilla Tape the damned thing. Or get another hose. Use the stock type.

Good choice, use ballistic tip ammo if you do.

an 1/8 of an inch is approximately 1\8th MOA @100yds. or look at it this way, you could theoretically shoot 1/2" groups at 400yds, with a weapon that accurate. I have an AR-15 that will hit tennis balls @ 600yds using Lapua ammo. Just sighting that rifle in I was able to shoot a 0.34" 5 shot group at 100yds.(Rainbo and Gene03 saw the target) I used bags in the front to support the FF tube, and used my hands/arms for rear support. 123grain Lapua Scenars in Lapua brass, using a Leupold 6.5-20x 40mm EFR scope Not accurate enough for you? Would you still would not take that shot, or would you?

Wait until I tell all the guys that all the research done in real world conditions is all wrong! Hey I did not know an AR-15 in 7.65 was laser sighted to 1mm, did the laser have a shark attached? Why would you want a .32acp AR-15, going old school on em?( I think you meant 5.56mm right?) FRIGGEN SHARKS WITH LASER BEAMS MOUNTED ON THEIR HEADS! now that is home defense!

Hey Jamille, shhhhhhh don't interrupt while they are on a roll! [/animal house rant]

Ah give me a break, it was a typo. I am not some kind of secretary, now am I? If you have seen my hands you would be amazed that I can type.

Cool!

I don't want to, or intend to argue with you, I am just stating the facts. If you, or anyone else wants the info, PM me I will see to it that you receive all I can provide. I will be glad to help.

Hey you could use an AR15 in .458 SOCOM if zombie buffalo are you concern. Better yet, use a .300whisper with a can on a SBR and you won't even wake up the kids! Some bleach, a tarp, sawdust, and voila! no more BG stinking up the place

what is wrong with a SBR in 9mm? What 30 rounds are not enough? A rifle points and shoots better, cannot be taken out of battery by a hand jam, and hase a nice place to mount a light, holographic sight vastly increasing lethality. Besides once again ammo selection trumps.

All but frangible. And frangible has issues of its own. You can use blue gasers, they work greak, but a pistol is no match for a rifle. You want 9mm? Use a 9mm AR-15! A pistol take huge amounts of practice in order to obtain the same results that an AR offers. If you want me to compile thet relative studies for you I will, but not at his late hour. I will probably do it tommorrow. I have done so for various .mil units.

Wrong, I did not say to use M855 ball ammo now did I? I know for a fact that 9mm overpenetrates compared to proper 5.56mm/.223cal ammo . A good example is using Hornady TAP ammo. There are many others that will suffice. Besides, if one of your loved ones has a knife or gun to their head or throat, are you going to take that shot with a shotgun? Or would you drill the BG BTE with a well placed shot from an AR-15? BTW I research this stuff alot more than many of you believe.

Most shooters are unable to use correct shot placement and rely on the myth that a shotgun does not need proper aiming. Also the fact that 00 and slugs reciol very hard and in effect are tough to use for a quick follow up shot. I know people who can do it, but they practice so much more than a soldier does that it is absurd. So go empty 500 rounds a day of 00 or slugs and tell me how much you learned.

They should hand for being deserters in time of war. They are worse than being just useless

Shotguns have been proven inferior to the AR-15 platform in home defense. That fact has been thoroughly researched, and again, and again... I will give you a hint, it has to do with shot placement, follow up shots, and overpenetration. Birdshot is virtually useless, and BBB even overpenetrates. 00 buckshot will go throught the bad guy and kill whomever is behind them, or the wall that seperates the BG from your family. Typical home engagements are in the range of 15ft or less. I am sure some of you will disagree, and some of you will disagree without doing any research at all. A shotgun is better than a pistol though.

I voted no, there is only one candidate that would retaliate, even if we knew which country was complicit via manufacturing, and logistics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/12/us/12koval.html?ei=5087&em=&en=15033bf00fd0ed90&ex=1195102800&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1195049195-HUMsoUCRXnkMK8LIaT+lVw "He had all-American cover: born in Iowa, college in Manhattan, Army buddies with whom he played baseball. George Koval also had a secret. During World War II, he was a top Soviet spy, code named Delmar and trained by Stalin’s ruthless bureau of military intelligence. Atomic spies are old stuff. But historians say Dr. Koval, who died in his 90s last year in Moscow and whose name is just coming to light publicly, was probably one of the most important spies of the 20th century. On Nov. 2, the Kremlin startled Western scholars by announcing that President Vladimir V. Putin had posthumously given the highest Russian award to a Soviet agent who penetrated the Manhattan Project to build the atom bomb. The announcement hailed Dr. Koval as “the only Soviet intelligence officer” to infiltrate the project’s secret plants, saying his work “helped speed up considerably the time it took for the Soviet Union to develop an atomic bomb of its own.” Since then, historians, scientists, federal officials and old friends have raced to tell Dr. Koval’s story — the athlete, the guy everyone liked, the genius at technical studies. American intelligence agencies have known of his betrayal at least since the early 1950s, when investigators interviewed his fellow scientists and swore them to secrecy. The spy’s success hinged on an unusual family history of migration from Russia to Iowa and back. That gave him a strong commitment to Communism, a relaxed familiarity with American mores and no foreign accent. “He was very friendly, compassionate and very smart,” said Arnold Kramish, a retired physicist who studied with Dr. Koval at City College and later worked with him on the bomb project. “He never did homework.” Stewart D. Bloom, a senior physicist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, who also studied with Dr. Koval, called him a regular guy. “He played baseball and played it well,” usually as shortstop, Dr. Bloom recalled. “He didn’t have a Russian accent. He spoke fluent English, American English. His credentials were perfect.” Once, Dr. Bloom added, “I saw him staring off in the distance and thinking about something else. Now I think I know what it was.” Over the years, scholars and federal agents have identified a half-dozen individuals who spied on the bomb project for the Soviets, especially at Los Alamos in New Mexico. All were “walk ins,” spies by impulse and sympathetic leaning rather than rigorous training. By contrast, Dr. Koval was a mole groomed in the Soviet Union by the feared G.R.U., the military intelligence agency. Moreover, he gained wide access to America’s atomic plants, a feat unknown for any other Soviet spy. Nuclear experts say the secrets of bomb manufacturing can be more important than those of design. Los Alamos devised the bomb, while its parts and fuel were made at secret plants in such places as Oak Ridge, Tenn., and Dayton, Ohio — sites Dr. Koval not only penetrated, but also assessed as an Army sergeant with wide responsibilities and authority. “He had access to everything,” said Dr. Kramish, who worked with Dr. Koval at Oak Ridge and now lives in Reston, Va. “He had his own Jeep. Very few of us had our own Jeeps. He was clever. He was a trained G.R.U. spy.” That status, he added, made Dr. Koval unique in the history of atomic espionage, a judgment historians echo. Washington has known about Dr. Koval’s spying since he fled the United States shortly after the war but kept it secret. “It would have been highly embarrassing for the U.S. government to have had this divulged,” said Robert S. Norris, author of “Racing for the Bomb,” a biography of the project’s military leader. Historians say Mr. Putin may have cited Dr. Koval’s accomplishments as a way to rekindle Russian pride. As shown by a New York Public Library database search, the announcement has prompted detailed reports in the Russian press about Dr. Koval and his clandestine feats. “It’s very exciting to get this kind of break,” said John Earl Haynes, a Library of Congress historian and an authority on atomic spying. “We know very little about G.R.U. operations in the United States.” George Koval was born in 1913 to Abraham and Ethel Koval in Sioux City, Iowa, which had a large Jewish community and a half-dozen synagogues. In 1932, during the Great Depression, his family emigrated to Birobidzhan, a Siberian city that Stalin promoted as a secular Jewish homeland. Henry Srebrnik, a Canadian historian at the University of Prince Edward Island who is studying the Kovals for a project on American Jewish Communists, said the family belonged to a popular front organization, as did most American Jews who emigrated to Birobidzhan. The organization, he said, was ICOR, a Yiddish acronym for the Association for Jewish Colonization in the Soviet Union. He added that Dr. Koval’s father served its Sioux City branch as secretary. By 1934, Dr. Koval was in Moscow, excelling in difficult studies at the Mendeleev Institute of Chemical Technology. Upon graduating with honors, he was recruited and trained by the G.R.U. and was sent back to the United States for nearly a decade of scientific espionage, from roughly 1940 to 1948. How he communicated with his controllers is unknown, as is what specifically he gave the Soviets in terms of atomic secrets. However, it is clear that Moscow mastered the atom very quickly compared with all subsequent nuclear powers. In the United States under a false name, Dr. Koval initially gathered information about new toxins that might find use in chemical arms. Then his G.R.U. controllers took a gamble and had him work under his own name. Dr. Koval was drafted into the Army, and by chance found himself moving toward the bomb project, then in its infancy. The Army judged him smart and by 1943 sent him for special wartime training at City College in Manhattan. Considered a Harvard for the poor, it was famous for brilliant students, Communists and, after the war, Julius Rosenberg, who was executed for conspiring to steal atomic secrets for the Soviets. But Dr. Koval steered clear of all debate on socialism and Russia, Dr. Bloom said. “He discussed no politics that I can recall. Never. He never talked about the Soviet Union, never ever, not a word.” At City College, Dr. Koval and a dozen or so of his Army peers studied electrical engineering. Dr. Kramish said the Army unit lived in the Hebrew Orphan Asylum, across from City College, adding that Dr. Koval called himself an orphan. Something else about him stood out, Dr. Kramish said — he was a decade older than his peers, making everybody wonder “why he was in this program.” Meanwhile, the Manhattan Project was suffering severe manpower shortages and asked the Army for technically adept recruits. In 1944, Dr. Koval and Dr. Kramish headed to Oak Ridge, where the main job was to make bomb fuel, considered the hardest part of the atomic endeavor. Dr. Koval gained wide access to the sprawling complex, Dr. Kramish said, because “he was assigned to health safety” and drove from building to building making sure no stray radiation harmed workers. In June 1945, Dr. Koval’s duties expanded to include top-secret plants near Dayton, said John C. Shewairy, an Oak Ridge spokesman. The factories refined polonium 210, a highly radioactive material used in initiators to help start the bomb’s chain reaction. In July 1945, the United States tested its first atomic device, and a month later it dropped two bombs on Japan. After the war, Dr. Koval fled the United States when American counterintelligence agents found Soviet literature hailing the Koval family as happy immigrants from the United States, said a Nov. 3 article in Rossiiskaia Gazeta, a Russian publication. In 1949, Moscow detonated its first bomb, surprising Washington at the quick loss of what had been an atomic monopoly. In the early 1950s, Dr. Kramish said, the F.B.I. interviewed him and anyone else who had known Dr. Koval, asking that the matter be kept confidential. Dr. Bloom was working at the Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island at the time. “I was pretty amazed,” he recalled. “I didn’t figure George to be like that.” In Russia, Dr. Koval returned to the Mendeleev Institute, earning his doctorate and teaching there for many years, Rossiiskaia Gazeta said. It added that he was a soccer fanatic even in old age and that people at the stadium who knew of his secret past would quietly point him out. Dr. Koval’s spy role began to emerge publicly in Russia in 2002 with the publication of “The G.R.U. and the Atomic Bomb,” a book that referred to Dr. Koval only by his code name. The book offered few biographical details but said he was one of the very few spies who managed to elude “the net of the counterintelligence agencies.” Dr. Koval died on Jan. 31, 2006, according to Russian accounts. The cause was not made public. By American reckoning, he would have been 92, though the Kremlin’s statement put his age at 94 and some Russian news reports put it at 93. Posthumously, Dr. Koval was made a Hero of the Russian Federation, the highest honorary title that can be bestowed on a Russian citizen. The Kremlin statement cited “his courage and heroism while carrying out special missions.” Dr. Kramish surmised that he was “the biggest” of the atomic spies. “You don’t get a medal from the president of Russia for nothing,” he said."

www.armytimes.com/news/2007/11/ap_thompson_071113/ Thompson to pitch million-man ground force The Associated Press Posted : Tuesday Nov 13, 2007 8:49:49 EST CHARLESTON, S.C. — Republican Fred Thompson is taking his call for expanding the military, spending more money on defense and taking better care of current and former service members before a receptive audience at The Citadel on Tuesday morning. Thompson, a former Tennessee senator and actor, also will call for more modern battle equipment on the ground, in the air and on the water during his speech. “The investments we make today provide the means to defend our nation tomorrow. They will make our military personnel more effective and safer,” Thompson will say, according to prepared remarks his campaign made available to The Associated Press. In his remarks, Thompson says the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan show the armed forces are too small. He proposes building a “million-member” ground force of 775,000 soldiers and 225,000 Marines — substantially higher than what the Pentagon has called for. “Too many commitments today leave our armed forces capable of meeting too few contingencies tomorrow,” he says. The Pentagon has recommended the Army be increased by about 65,000 soldiers, to a total of 547,000, and the Marines be increased by 27,000, to 202,000. Thompson also compares the amount spent on the military to the gross domestic product, and says the equivalent of 4.1 percent of the GDP is now spent on defense, including the cost of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. He will call for spending to increase to 4.5 percent of GDP, not including the ongoing conflicts. Gross domestic product is the value of all goods and services produced within the U.S. Regarding care for current and former service members, Thompson advocates implementing many of the recommendations of a presidential commission on improving the treatment of wounded veterans. He also says service members need better pay and benefits “including a modern GI Bill with educational assistance that will help us recruit and keep our nation’s finest in uniform.” Thompson also mentions the need to build a “robust missile defense system to defend our homeland, our troops and our allies from ballistic missiles,” but does not go into greater detail. The Republican presidential primary in South Carolina is scheduled for Jan. 19. PrintEmailRedditDigg This Week’s Army Times If You Haven’t Gone To War — You’re About To The Army has identified 37,000 soldiers who have not gone to war — and could spell relief for the heavily deployed. Read this week's issue | Read past issues

Happy Birthday Katie!

I would like to see many laws done away with, and until that happens I would think that equal sentencing is paramount, no matter what the socio-economic, or racial background of ther offender may be. A good case in point is illegal firearms usage and possession. A good amount of those who break these laws are not prosecuted very hard, and others are exceedingly sentenced. To say a person is from a disadvantaged environment, and use that as a basis of not prosecuting with the same veracity as would be done for the class of people "that knew better" is an atrocity.

Many fight too long, and regain control in time to land at their own crash site.

Well, if he did that he could end up being out of a place to live, and a friend.

I thought that was quite obvious.

Nah, I don't want to be sodomized nor learn to suck dick. Maybe Kallend wants the intern job. Ask him.