warpedskydiver

Does your own opinion disregard any of our constitutional rights, or are some of them okay to do away with?

That alone is enough, but when you are a US Citizen, it makes these issues far more important.

There actually if far more if you like, I will post everything available. However somehow some of his voting records are now unavailable, even though they were available just last year.

I say that others may do so in a response to their own "white guilt" ignoring the true issues, and ignoring voting records because of the color of the mans skin. It seems that if all the data is looked at, he is an unfavorable candidate, but many would feel that it would look racist if they were not to vote form him anyways.

Obama voted against SB2165, the bill that would provide an affirmative defense against municipal firearms bans for those who use a firearm in self defense. He voted against it twice. 1 AN ACT concerning criminal law. 2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 3 represented in the General Assembly: 4 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by adding 5 Section 24-10 as follows: 6 (720 ILCS 5/24-10 new) 7 Sec. 24-10. Municipal ordinance regulating firearms; 8 affirmative defense to a violation. It is an affirmative 9 defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits, 10 regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if 11 the individual who is charged with the violation used the 12 firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another as 13 defined in Sections 7-1 and 7-2 of this Code when on his or her 14 land or in his or her abode or fixed place of business. 15 Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon 16 becoming law. www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=2165&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=7961&SessionID=3&GA=93 Obama voted against changing the FOID age from 21 to 18 for persons without parental consent. www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=2163&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=7951&SessionID=3&GA=93 Synopsis As Introduced Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Changes, from 21 years of age or over to 18 years of age or over, the age at which a person may apply for and be issued a Firearm Owner's Identification Card without the consent of a parent or legal guardian. Effective immediately. Obama voted for one gun per month after a vehicle secret compartment bill was gutted and changed to one gun a month. www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=2579&GAID=3&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=4572&SessionID=3&GA=93 Synopsis As Introduced Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Provides that the removal of a false or secret compartment from a motor vehicle, or the promise to do so, shall not be the basis for a defense to forfeiture of the motor vehicle under the Criminal Code of 1961 and shall not be the basis for the court to release the vehicle to the owner. Increases the penalty for owning or operating a motor vehicle with the knowledge that it contains a false or secret compartment from a Class C misdemeanor to a Class 4 felony. Senate Floor Amendment No. 1 Deletes reference to: 625 ILCS 5/12-612 Adds reference to: 720 ILCS 5/24-3 from Ch. 38, par. 24-3 720 ILCS 5/24-3.1A new Deletes all. Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Prohibits multiple sales of handguns within a 30-day period. Creates the offense of unlawful acquisition of handguns. Provides exemptions. Provides the penalty is a Class A misdemeanor for a first offense and a Class 4 felony for a second offense. Voted for SB1195, assault weapons ban, in committee: www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf Synopsis As Introduced Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Prohibits the knowing manufacture, delivery, and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and assault weapon attachments. Provides for an affirmative defense to a violation for peace officers, correctional institution employees and officers, members of the Armed Services and Reserve Forces of the United States, and the Illinois National Guard while these persons are in the performance of their duties. Establishes penalties for violations. www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1195&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=4124&SessionID=3&GA=93 More here: gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=530ecfa4-ae4e-4819-97e6-892463d99f08

91st GA SB0048: No privacy of mental health records for FOID applicants SB1614: One handgun per month SB1616: Must apply in person @ police for FOID 92nd GA SB0041: Order of protection must forfeit all firearms regardless if you are deemed to be a threat SB0051: Stalking convictions = prohibited person SB0059: Police can confiscate firearms @ domestic violence calls SB1338: Assault weapons ban SB2083: Assault Weapons ban 93rd GA SB2386: Self defense with a firearm is an affirmative defense against municipal firearms bans. Also, self defense is immune to liability. (Sounds good, but its not) Senate amendment No 1 gutted the affirmative defense against municipal bans and added a liability shield for homeowners who defend themselves. Barak Obama was not a sponsor until after the amendment gutted the bill. This one is barely a pro-gun vote.

92nd GA, Firearms related, Obama Sponsored: www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920HB1942.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that any person who forges or materially alters or counterfeits a Firearm Owner's Identification Card commits a Class 2 felony. Provides that any person who possesses a Firearm Owner's Identification Card with knowledge that it has been forged, altered, or counterfeited commits a Class 2 Felony. FISCAL NOTE (Illinois State Police) There will be no fiscal impact to the Illinois State Police. SENATE AMENDMENT NO. 1. Deletes a sentence providing that any person who possesses a Firearm Owner's Identification Card with knowledge that it has been forged or materially altered commits a Class 2 felony. Provides, instead, that any person who knowingly possesses a forged or materially altered Firearm Owner's Identification Card with the intent to use it commits a Class 2 felony. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920HB2315.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Changes the offense of unlawful use of armor piercing bullets to unlawful use of firearm projectiles and includes as firearm projectiles any armor piercing bullet, 50 caliber bullet, dragon's breath shotgun shell, bolo shell, or flechette shell. Expands the offense of manufacturing, selling, or transferring of bullets represented to be armor piercing bullets to include any shell represented to be a dragon's breath shotgun shell, bolo shell, or flechette shell. Changes the offense of unlawful discharge of armor piercing bullets to unlawful discharge of firearm projectiles and includes as firearm projectiles any armor piercing bullet, 50 caliber bullet, dragon's breath shotgun shell, bolo shell, or flechette shell. FISCAL NOTE (Illinois State Police) If HB 2315 were to become law, there would be no fiscal impact to the Illinois State Police. FISCAL NOTE (Department of Corrections) The prison population and fiscal impact is minimal. CORRECTIONAL NOTE (Department of Corrections) Same as DOC fiscal note. HOUSE AMENDMENT NO. 1. Deletes references to 50 caliber bullets. Provides that the penalties for the manufacture, sale, or transfer of armor piercing bullets also applies to dragon's breath shotgun shells, bolo shells, and flechette shells. HOUSE AMENDMENT NO. 2. Makes a technical correction to the definition of "Flechette shell". SENATE AMENDMENT NO. 1. Adds reference to: 430 ILCS 65/3.2 new Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that, prior to January 1, 2002, the Department of State Police shall list on the Department's World Wide Web site all firearm projectiles that are prohibited by the Act, together with a statement setting forth the sentence that may be imposed for violations. Also provides that the Department of State Police shall, prior to January 1, 2002, send a list of all firearm projectiles that are prohibited by the Act to each federally licensed firearm dealer in Illinois registered with the Department. Further amends the Criminal Code of 1961, making technical changes. Adds an effective date of January 1, 2002. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920HB3075.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961 relating to the offense of theft. Provides that it is a Class X felony to commit a theft of a firearm, cannabis, a controlled substance, or money held in a facility used by a law enforcement agency or a clerk of the circuit court to store evidence for use at a pre-trial proceeding, preliminary hearing, grand jury proceeding, trial, or post-trial proceeding. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920HB3262.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that, upon recovering a firearm that was used in the commission of any offense or upon recovering a firearm that appears to have been lost, mislaid, stolen, or otherwise unclaimed, a local law enforcement agency shall use the best available information, including a firearms trace when necessary, to determine prior ownership of the firearm. HOUSE AMENDMENT NO. 1. Further amends the Criminal Code of 1961 concerning firearm tracing. Provides that, when a law enforcement agency recovers a firearm used in the commission of an offense, the law enforcement agency is required to trace the firearm to determine prior ownership only if the offense is classified as felony. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB0041.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963 and the Illinois Domestic Violence Act of 1986. Provides that all orders of protection must contain a provision requiring the person against whom the order is issued to forfeit all firearms in his or her possession for the duration of the order of protection, regardless of whether that person has threatened to use a firearm or is deemed likely to do so. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB0051.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Prohibits ownership of firearms by anyone who has ever been convicted of stalking in Illinois or a substantially similar offense in another jurisdiction. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB0059.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Allows a law enforcement officer at the scene of a domestic violence incident to take temporary custody of any firearm in plain sight or pursuant to a consensual search. Provides that all weapons taken into custody must be held at least 48 hours. Provides that, within 72 hours of the seizure of the firearm, if it is not retained as evidence related to charges brought as a result of the domestic violence incident, the firearm must be returned to the owner. Provides that, if the law enforcement agency has reasonable cause to believe that the return of the firearm would be likely to result in endangering the domestic violence victim, the agency must, within 30 days, or 60 days if an extension is granted, of the seizure of the firearm, file a petition with the circuit court to determine if the firearm should be returned. Requires the court to return the firearm unless it is shown by clear and convincing evidence that returning the firearm would likely result in endangering the domestic violence victim. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB1338.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Creates the offense of unlawful use of a semiautomatic assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device, defined as knowingly selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing, or carrying a semiautomatic assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device. Provides that the offense is a Class 2 felony. Exempts peace officers and members of the Armed Services or Reserved Forces of the United States and Illinois National Guard while in the performance of their official duties and wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other facilities for the detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense. Also exempts the manufacture, transportation, or sale of these weapons or devices to those persons. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB2083.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Creates the offense of unlawful use of a semiautomatic assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device, defined as knowingly selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing, or carrying a semiautomatic assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device. Provides that the offense is a Class 2 felony. Exempts peace officers and members of the Armed Services or Reserved Forces of the United States and Illinois National Guard while in the performance of their official duties and wardens, superintendents, and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other facilities for the detention of persons accused or convicted of an offense. Also exempts the manufacture, transportation, or sale of these weapons or devices to those persons.

91st GA, Obama Sponsored, Firearms related: www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910HB0076.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that the local law enforcement agency shall use the best available information, including a firearms trace, to determine how and from whom a person who is not permitted by federal or State law to possess a firearm gained possession of a firearm (now the provision applies only when the law enforcement agency recovers the firearm from a person under 21 years of age). www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910HB0227.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Creates the offenses of possession of a stolen firearm and aggravated possession of a stolen firearm. Changes penalties for unlawful use or possession of firearms by felons. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910SB0048.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Requires an applicant for a firearm owners identification card to sign a release waiving any right to confidentiality and consenting to the disclosure to the Department of State Police of the applicant's mental health records from any state, the District of Columbia, any other territory of the United States, or a foreign nation for the sole purpose of determining eligibility for a card. SENATE AMENDMENT NO. 1. Provides that an applicant for a Firearm Owners Identification Card must only sign a release of his or her mental health records upon request of the Department of State Police. HOUSE AMENDMENT NO. 1. Deletes everything after the enacting clause. Limits the information disclosed to the Department of State Police to mental health institution admission information. Provides that no mental health or treatment records may be requested. Provides that the information received shall be destroyed within one year of receipt. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910SB0330.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Provides that it is an aggravating factor, which the court may consider as a reason to impose a more severe sentence, that the defendant was a federally licensed firearm dealer and transferred a firearm to a person who did not display to the dealer a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card. SENATE AMENDMENT NO. 1. Deletes the substance of the bill. Amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Provides that it is an aggravating factor in sentencing that the defendant was a federally licensed firearm dealer and was previously convicted of a violation of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act relating to transferring a firearm to a person who did not display a Firearm Owners Identification Card Act and is convicted of a felony Firearm Owners Identification Card Act violation or armed violence while armed with a firearm. SENATE AMENDMENT NO. 2. Provides that the aggravating factor in sentencing may be imposed if the federally licensed firearm dealer has now committed (rather than convicted) a felony violation of the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act or an act of armed violence while armed with a firearm. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910SB1614.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Prohibits the transfer of more than one handgun within a 30-day period. Exempts federally-licensed firearm dealers who purchase handguns as inventory in the regular course of business, the military, law enforcement officials, certain hunters, and other specified persons. Provides that a violation is a Class 4 felony. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910SB1615.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that a person who commits first degree murder using a firearm in or within 500 feet of a church, synagogue, or other building, structure, or place used for religious worship or other religious purpose is eligible for the death penalty. Provides for enhanced penalties for the commission of any of the following offenses using a firearm in or within 500 feet of a church, synagogue, or other building, structure, or place used for religious worship or other religious purpose: second degree murder, involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, or aggravated battery with a firearm. Effective immediately. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910SB1616.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Provides that an applicant for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card must appear in person before a law enforcement agency and submit positive identification to a law enforcement officer before the issuance of the application to the applicant. Increases the fee for a Firearm Owner's Identification Card from $5 to $10. Provides that the additional $5 shall be deposited into the Firearm Owner's Notification Fund. Provides that the Department of State Police shall, 60 days (rather than 30 days) prior to the expiration of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card, forward to each person whose card is to expire a notification of the expiration of the card. Deletes provisions requiring the forwarding of the actual application. Amends the Illinois Vehicle Code. Requires the Department of State Police to forward to the Secretary of State the names, addresses, and other identifying information about holders of Firearm Owner's Identification Cards. Provides that the information shall be compiled in a database and may be accessed by law enforcement officers who enforce traffic laws.

Well here is a start on his past voting records, I guess he really is a supporter of our constitutional rights I will start, and others will undoubtedly say it is not true, or explain that he is no longer of the same opinion. 90th GA, Obama Sponsored, Firearms Related: www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900HB3753.html HB3753 Engrossed LRB9010407RCks 1 AN ACT to amend the Criminal Code of 1961 by changing 2 Section 24-3A. 3 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 4 represented in the General Assembly: 5 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by 6 changing Section 24-3A as follows: 7 (720 ILCS 5/24-3A) 8 Sec. 24-3A. Gunrunning. 9 (a) A person commits gunrunning when he or she transfers 10 3 or more firearms in violation of any of the paragraphs of 11 Section 24-3 of this Code. 12 (b) Sentence. A person who commits gunrunning is guilty 13 of a Class X felony. 14 (Source: P.A. 88-680, eff. 1-1-95.) www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900SB0550.html SB550 Enrolled LRB9002722RCks 1 AN ACT to amend the Criminal Code of 1961 by adding 2 Section 24-8. 3 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois, 4 represented in the General Assembly: 5 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by 6 adding Section 24-8 as follows: 7 (720 ILCS 5/24-8 new) 8 Sec. 24-8. Firearm tracing. 9 (a) Upon recovering a firearm from the possession of 10 anyone under 21 years of age who is not permitted by federal 11 or State law to possess a firearm, a local law enforcement 12 agency shall use the best available information, including a 13 firearms trace where necessary, to determine how and from 14 where the person under 21 years of age gained possession of 15 the firearm. 16 (b) Local law enforcement shall use the National Tracing 17 Center of the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms 18 in complying with subsection (a) of this Section. 19 (c) Local law enforcement agencies shall use the 20 Illinois Department of State Police Law Enforcement Agencies 21 Data System (LEADS) Gun File to enter all stolen, seized, or 22 recovered firearms as prescribed by LEADS regulations and 23 policies. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900SB1249.html Synopsis of Bill as introduced: Amends the Unified Code of Corrections. Provides that a person convicted of gunrunning is ineligible for probation, periodic imprisonment, or conditional discharge. Heres the bills Obama sponsored in the 90th, 91st, 92nd and 93rd IL General Assembly. www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/sponsor/OBAMA.html www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/sponsor/OBAMA.html www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sponsor/OBAMA.html www.ilga.gov/senate/SenatorBills.asp?MemberID=747&GA=93 oddly some of the other voting records are not currently available.

Why not just call me a racist like a grown man would, instead you make thinly veiled remarks. When you see racism in others and make such claims, maybe you are the one that actually is practicing prejudice, and racism. If I say something regarding race, I state my opinion, but if I were to make thinly veiled statements, and try to hide my real meaning, maybe then I would be just like you and others.

Nope - my Dad's the perfect example. Lifelong Democrat, in his 70's, tough working-class childhood, raised and lived mostly in the Northeast; veteran USMC noncom, college degree on the GI bill; fiscal and social moderate with an age-appropriate conservative tinge, career in business management; strong on national defense. Thinks Democrats have the most compassion for ordinary people and try to improve society, when they're not obsessed with being sissified victims; and Republicans mainly only give a shit about taxes and enriching themselves, although they are more sensible on national defense. Welfare stinks; unions are a necessary evil. Thinks the Afghanistan war is justified and should have been fought to win from the start, and the Iraq war is an inexcusable waste of American blood. Dad votes mostly for Democrats, but he does not suffer fools or pussies gladly. He couldn't bring himself to vote for McGovern in '72, and he voted against Carter in '80 to punish him for his whining incompetence. If he were younger, he might be a Libertarian. Thinks Clinton was, on the whole, a pretty good President, albeit morally a pig. Thinks G.W. Bush is an idiot and an embarrassment. But Dad's also a product of his times. He's not a virulent racist, but, especially under stress, there is this latent undercurrent of racism that rarely shows itself, but that I'm aware of because, well, he's my Dad. He has no problem with blacks generally; but he'd have been appalled had one of his kids married one, you know? Dad's going to vote for McCain. Although he won't admit it, there's simply no way in hell he can ever bring himself to vote for a black person as President. There's no doubt in my mind that, all other things being equal, if Barack Obama was a white man with a "regular" name, even if he was a smarty-pants liberal (in other words, if he was a Bill Clinton clone), he'd vote for him, and not McCain. That's the OTHER kind of white person who won't vote for Obama because he's black. Oh, well - there's still Mom to work on. I have 2 colleagues like that. Both in their 60s, lifelong Dems, but state they won't vote for Obama because he's black. At least you are willing to vote for him because he is black.

I would want all the abilities of a dolphin.

Christel Sabine has a far different opinion than any of the older germans I ever spoke to, her lack of knowledge of what the Nazi's were really like is a real shame. If she did know, the comparison of the Nazi's and anyone would never occur.

Who gives a fuck The only person you are impressing is yourself, kinda like how you walk around for hours after jumping has concluded with you jumpsuit on trying to impress whuffos.

Forget it Andy, Kallend on the other hand can continue spewing his brand of bullshit, no worries, I will ask him to do so in person as well.

Your post shows what you are.

You need to take a breath and realize what you just did, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Well, you're a lifetime member. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE? I think you were trying to be funny, but that illustrates your own opinion of me, and in reality shows your contempt for persons that are considered "Distinguished Lifetime Members" Next time, look up the definition before you open your mouth. BTW the mere fact you posted such a thing is really shitty of you. Do you often demean other disabled veterans of the US Military? How about you go take your lumps instead of one of us? Care to trade places?

WHEN we meet dear Amazon, I WILL spray my RW suit with Scotchgaurd the night before. When I meet her I will not have any worries, you see, if you have pissed her off that badly, you either deserve it, or just like pushing peoples buttons.

If you want an NRA life membership, let me know, you can be my "relative" I am a distinguished lifetime member

blue?

This is the problem. if we all treat 18yrs of age as "Children" they will be as responsible as children. Give it a fucking break, 18 is a damned adult, and you know it. Society is to blame for this crap. Treat 18 like the adult they are, in full. Perhaps, not many of your 18 y/o kids still are in school/high school, whatever. Many of ours are. They are somewhere in between, no more kids and not yet adults. I just guess: You have no kids. How much experience do you personally have with 17, 18 y/o then?? With 18, they are no "damed adults". They're starting to become adults. For many of them, it will need many years. We treat kids as kids, teenies as teenies, young adults as "young adults" - especially in our legislation. That's the difference. Your country kills young adults. I rest my case, In your country, men and women serve in your armed forces at that age, and yet you perceive them to be "not adults", but as people who are somewhat diminished in their ability to decide things for themselves They cannot therefore responsible for themselves, as well as the security of your entire country, and should not be trusted to do so. I am sure everyone is of the same opinion as you are.

Well, since there are some that say everything is Bush's fault, I figured I would ask if Obama wins, will he reverse all the wrongs attributed to Bush? Surely the change in the White House will be all that is required. Likewise there are some that think that the democrats are the root of all evil, I wonder how many people will actually admit that both the democrats and republicans are on the same side, against the people.

Congratulations, may you always be successful!