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most of the pics made by me (only ground ones, unfortunately

you're my hero if serious, I liked the event a lot and was happy to meet new and such interesting people over there hope the boogie will take place over there next year!

the one with sheep is especially demonstrational

I like the products - I don't like the prices:) maybe I should make more money, but that's not the freason to blame the nice clothes:)

according to today's announcemnt, it'll unlikely be here or, more precise, it sounded like nobody knows what's up with it. but personally I believe in miracles and wish it to come tomorrow

sure! absolutely!

yea, I've heard the proposition, too people in wingsuits must be looking too weird for average public

I see... thnx for the explanation

eh... I didn't quite understand about customs and passport stuff... isn't this in EU?

now the pic is perfect hope to see you here soon

so who will you instruct and organize? looks like only pros are going there

beautiful

the funny thing is that, I think, all the arguing parties in the conversation AGREE about safety and related questions. the problem is that wingsuit may be unsafe for a person with over 500 jumps on his or her account - through million reasons, - while it may be relatively safe for a person with low number of jumps. and it seems to me that it depends mostly on the person's readiness to the risks of skyflying and wish to do exactly this, not some other things in skydiving. as to safety of other people... well, that's my instructor who doesn't let me fly with others yet - and I understand why, and I completely agree with him. I think when it comes to big boogies and formations, more experienced flyers should just pay more attention to newcomers' experience. if you believe that someone if not ready to group flying - just don't let the person in the flock. isn't that simple? (or just sounds stupid?) anyway, I really don't think that people should be encouraged to break rules laid down, as I believe, not just by manufacturers but by practice and long term experience in the field (to tell the truth, I feel quite guilty for breaking them myself; but it happened, and I cannot turn back and change it). but at the same time, the rule breakers already exist, and the new ones will appear in the future. so isn't it better to pay more attention to people's experience before flying with them instead of just cursing the misbehaviors? hope I'll be allowed to some flock one day

Scott, I didn't really mean to accuse anyone, of course

I know it's stupid to argue with gods... but wasn't it rather load organizers mistake than the flier's? I'm sure that the person in the beginning of the discussion shouldn't be allowed to start skyflying - same as a fresh AFF-postgraduate. and I'm sure that almost no one with less than 500 jumps can be called an 'experienced skydiver' (personally I believe that the experience starts after 1000 jumps). and yes, I already know from my own experience that 'wingsuit is not another skydive' (c). but at the same time we all know some examples of people who started flying having around 100 jumps, and who've made decent careers in the discipline. and I believe that many good experts here can admit that people with lower than 200 number of jumps can try and start flying. and I even believe that it's possible to learn things and progress in wingsuit, not in ff or rw suit - just being much more careful and doing slower steps in it. it's like, a post-AFF can go to an rw formation having smth like 40 jumps in total. but a post-FFC shouldn't rush and try and join ws formation 'cause speeds are bigger and danger is higher and so on. so, gentlemen, you're welcome to blame me for my incompetence and ignorance, but it happened to me that I started earlier than I had to, and skyflying is the only discipline in skydiving that ever interested me. and now I'm making very slow steps on the way - by one of the old posters here recommendation... and I'm not proud at all of my early start. but I do believe that one can become good in it even if he or she broke the rule of the magic 200. this just may take more efforts and of course some experienced flyers's supervision. amen. welcome to crucify me for the rebel against gods and for the unpopular opinion (though I know that some experts agree with me - even though they don't say about it loudly). ps. right now I highly recommend my fellow skydivers to wait a little (till the 200) - at least to get more pleasure of their future flights. and of course because of safety etc. pps. sorry for such a long post. I know that I shouldn't have written it - at least not to damage own reputation. but I've had so many arguments with someone having absolutely opposite opinion that I just don't care anymore and just want to express my stupid idea of the question. ppps. I can imagine that by 1000 jumps I'll change the opinion completely. well, then by the time I'll be able to laugh reading the bullshit

not bad prizes

I think it should be added to the FAQ here. just a great list

just trying it is not difficult. I mean, physically. I mean, you won't get even tired. but it must be difficult in all the other aspects - like mastering any other craft

cool! I really admire your persistence and hope to fly together one day!

let's do smth tighter tomorrow

it was him - Ivan from Israel

nice reminder - 'wingsuits are not "just another skydive"' and nice music/footage

I was nervous already on the ground but in the plane having Jari beside was kind of relaxing I did 5 or 6 jumps in tracking suit before it, so the deployment position was rather familiar for me - and therefore I'm stable in it, at least by now

here are a few pics from your staying here