Channman

Before you go about with all the hatting, what is the amount per gallon in Taxes California is receiving. Possible, not that I've looked it up or care, but the taxes might be higher than the profit per gallon. Also think of it as a Jobs program...look at all the people you are putting to work by paying those high dollars at the pump. People got to eat, send little Jr. to school and have a few dollars to skydive on. Not feeling the pain here. NOTE: if I had read a little further down, seems my question above has been answered. TAXES, TAXES, TAXES...got to embrace em.

> "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity" Psalm 51:5 the text from Life Application Bible "New International Version" "(5) Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." In this Vs King David is pleading for mercy, forgiveness and cleansing. David had committed adultery with Bathsheba and commanded her husband (Uriah the Hittite) to be on the front lines of a battle that he knew he would not survive i.e. committed murder to cover up his sin. The details are a bit to long to discuss here, but can be found in 2 Samuel 12. The Prophet Nathan meets with David and hands down his punishment...part of the punishment was God taking his son born of Bathsheba. David spends a great deal of time 7 days I believe asking for God forgiveness as mentioned in your post referenced above. Now the issue is whether God has no mercy and subjected the infant boy to Hell or receive the child back into his arms as he is the giver of life. 2 Samuel 12:18-23 "On the seventh day the child died.... Vs 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him but he will not return to me. Here is a glimpse that David knew that one day he would be reunited with his son i.e. in Heaven. To the rest of your post I found the information you provided very interesting and I'm still reading through much of it among others to try and capture your viewpoint. In closing for now Matthew 19:14, Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." An infant, is born into sin...but is far to young to commit a sin requiring them to seek forgiveness, or as it is known (age of accountability). Sorry for all the editing, copied the quote below but can't recall where I found it. "....God’s applying Christ’s death to those who cannot believe would seem consistent with His love and mercy. It is our position that God applies Christ’s payment for sin to babies and those who are mentally handicapped, since they are not mentally capable of understanding their sinful state...." Quite possible I've just opened a whole can of worms...but your post has been engaging, requiring me to dig deep...I mean to reach high.

> then I'll rebut it. Not necessary...if we were ever to meet, we might just have some Bar-B-Que and discuss other matters such as, "the weather".

Bill, where we not talking about a Baby???? and if a child were to die just after birth. We need to stay on the subject of the child not the adult who has sinned and then must confess their sin in order to receive forgiveness.

Yea, Yea, Yea...been down this road many times. I'll leave but on example, not that it will provide any answers to un-believer. Ezekiel 18:20, yep it's from the old testament just incase you didn't know>"Life Application Study Bible, New International Version" (20) The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

Yep...funny place to visit from time to time.

Um, maybe you should tell your friends that: Born Again Christian – The Meaning The term “born again Christian” is an often misunderstood. If we look to its original reference, we see that the meaning is not about a physical birth, but about receiving a spiritual renewal. Since the original sin in the garden by Adam (Genesis 3), all mankind is born in a corrupted state by inheritance. It is by that our soul needs to be reborn—made pure and righteous again—the way God created us to be. He provided the way for this to happen, but because God gave us free will, we have a choice to accept it or not. The baby doesn't need to sin. It's already corrupted. This topic is best discussed over some Texas Bar B Que...Knee Cap to Knee Cap so to speak. I don't believe we can properly discuss this topic here in speakers corner.

So if a baby dies just after birth, the sins they were born with are then sending them to hell. Seems a little wonky. The baby has not sinned and thus would not be damed to hell. Just saying

I don't believe President Obama hates America, maybe it's nothing more than he doesn't respect the nation as much as others before him.

It's a process not a project. Annie, is a educated women with a Master degree from an Ivy League college. Raised in a family that did not believe in God/Jesus much less have a desire to associate with those who did, yet there she sits with my family in church this morning, changed.

New Zealand...ON MY to do List, well then there is Canada...kind of wacky that I haven't crossed the northern border to visit that great country. So much to see, so little time/money.

Show off

You been to some awesome places...for me America (My Home) does it count? Mexico, Cayman Islands, Jamaica, Bahamas, Dominica, Barbados, St. Lucia, St Martinique....pretty much every island in that area.... United Kingdom Germany Austria Czech Republic France Italy Spain Tunisia (Tunis) Malta Turkey (Istanbul) Puerto Rico (Its a US territory so it might not count)

Number 2 on your list, "Kyle Huff" seems once again I can't find anything to suggest he to was a Christian committing mass murder on fellow Americans. Maybe you could provide detail background on the list of so called Christians mentioned in your post and the Christian denomination they attended and professed their faith to Christ before Satan entered their bodies and they began killing Americans. As for Charles Thornton, he had a Pastor...Rev John Sykes of 15 years, so it is possible he was a Christian if we are to assume he excepted the faith and professed it to others. Otherwise he was just a poser.

Terry Ratzmann...can't find anything to suggest he was a Christian, I can however find he murdered 7 Christians. So I'm not sure why you have him on your list. Researching the others.

Who is "them All"? ISIS...they are the one's at war with the world.

> Every option we have with ISIS is terrible, we have to pick the least terrible of these options. I agree...we need to pick "Kill them All" it seems to be the best option.

It's gonna be a while before you can top that one. We won it fair and square

> This liberal will probably watch it. Your not a liberal...your to nice to be a liberal. Was going to say howdy to ya the other day, but your were involved in a dirt dive.

if only they would reduce the number of doctors and lawyers that are stationed there, that would reduce that number considerably. We had what 660 plus detainees on the high end and now less than 200? I read somewhere there are roughly 6 doctors to every detainee currently being held. The overall cost to the military want go down, if these men and women were stationed elsewhere, but it would reduce the associated cost at Club Gitmo.

The post has nothing to do with Obama, but a Pastor who strongly espoused questionable values within his church & family. Simply...his daughter stole from the taxpayers & from the Poor people who needed Job Training and lied about it. She engage in activity her father on many occasions had accused others who participated in similar crimes against the Black Community. She and her husband stole from the 1.25 million state grant that had a similar name Barack Obama's set up know as "My Brother's Keeper" the program in question was know as "We Are Our Brother's Keeper"

Speaking of Bad Deeds, mistakes...what goes around, comes around. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/daughter-jeremiah-wright-convicted-fraud-scheme-n47841

Two COMPLETELY different subjects. I have repeatedly and said for years self defense is fine. However, there is a world of difference between a guy climbing in a bedroom window and a group of terrorists with automatic weapons. As an individual, you have a -chance- of defending yourself with a gun at home and I am all for allowing you to do that. Go for it. It's your right and possibly your duty. You, as an individual, have next to a zero chance of changing the outcome of a terrorist attack like we're talking about here. I think I would agree & disagree with you in regards to your last statement. I agree if it were me on the street armed with a Hand gun I would quite possible been able to engage the individuals armed with fully automatic rifles but quite possibly have been killed in doing so. If I where with a certain friend who himself being armed with a hand gun and facing the same individuals...I'm very certain based on his extensive training would have killed both quickly with less than five shots. So I suppose you are correct that "You" being the main subject, I being a good citizen very likely would not have gone home to my wife. "But I be a HERO" for at least having dared to try.

NOW Thats singing

mpohl... You need to just let this go. Your not doing yourself any favors. Don't be that guy