MikeForsythe

Hell Eric, I would not even decend with a Stiletto! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

okay, then tell me what the other reasons are? Because if i change just one thing (add an engine) now they are. Some of today’s canopies clearly have the same flight characteristics gliders. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Thermal is not the only way that they go up and you know it. And if we use your non-powered analogy then explain why gliders are aircraft? Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

While I agree, we are not talking about toilet paper. When was the last time you hooked turned and swooped a piece of toilet paper? Show me where they say that? Like in the last five years. Wrong, they most certainly can go up. Hell, they are ground launching high glide ratio canopies that ascend hundreds of feet on thermals. Sounds like a glider to me! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

And that is why I don't tell women ANYTHING! And it is "Cabana Boy in a Box Adventure".....The boogie will be next! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Try here Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Gino's East Off of the Miricle Mile Chicago You can even write on the walls! So good that in the mid 80's used to fly there on weekends from Florida. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Sorry, there are laws against that in Florida! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

So that is what I did wrong.....covered your ass instead of fanning it! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Really? Please refer to post above, specifically "special feeling". Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Oh yeah right......an indentured servant in the middle of no where......dying of heat exhaustion and left for dead and immediately replaced with the back-up. Your right, that is such a special feeling, thank you! I just realized why none of the boys are coming. The thought of dying a slow death in servitude to Mary, Andrea and Betsy is scaring the hell out of them! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Well that is not true because some of you would need at least two in case one died! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

No I am not! Hey, if we end up with 10 women and 4 men cause none of the other guys on here want to go then so be it. It is a tough job but I am always willing to take one for the team! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

It is funny that you mention that. When I told Howard on Friday what the ratio of women to men was he was immediately available to go. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Thanks Eric. I wonder if lawrocket or someone could tell us why since that ruling the FAA not only kept that definition but have added powered parachutes specifically as an "aircraft" category? I would also be interested to know what the FAA's view is on modern day parachutes that can actually ascend in thermals and ground launch like a glider? Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Yes I have a class-3 medical as you are aware since you did go on a tandem jump with us last year at Rantoul, no I do not have any DUI’s. But the point is that you not have to have a pilots lic. for all categories of aircraft. And mode –c transponders and radios are not required out side class ABC airspace. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

I personally agree and think that they are equal. If you look at some of the high glide ratio canopies today and look at the similarities to gliders, they are very close. Both get a ride to altitude, can be ground launched, have limited time aloft and are controllable. Hell, two years ago I had an F-16 pass between me and a tandem. Now considering how fast they go there is no way in hell you could have spotted him before exit.When I got down I asked the pilot if he had contacted ATC and he said yes but the military doesn't care or pay attention and this happens all the time. Needless to say that was my last jump there. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Not true, there is no verbiage “as best they can”. It says that they will. I agree and I wish more skydivers that think they own the airspace would understand that. Absolutely And that may be their choice but it does not in any way excuse them from knowing the required information on the sectionals. And that is my problem with the pilots who get enough information for them to complete their flight without regard to others using the airspace. Again it may be the reason but it is still not an acceptable excuse. While I agree that gliders are less of a problem and we have an equal responsibility with other aircraft to clear the airspace the bottom line is that it is impossible to clear the airspace for the entire skydive before we exit. If you exit at 13,000’ and open at 3-4,000’ there is no way to clear all aircraft visually for a 5-7min. time span prior to exit which is why I always tell people you have to be continually clearing the airspace until you are on the ground. And it is equally up to other aircraft to do the same. The sad thing is that we are more dangerous to ourselves than other aircraft. There are more canopy collisions that any other type of collisions. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Please cite the case as there was no change in the CFR's as a result. That would indicate that it was a non-federal court case. Also, as you read I was responding to Billvon's statement that he had never seen an FAA defination that a parachute was an aircraft and I was refering him to where he could find it. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Of all of the post, you had better listen to Bill's. A MRSA infection can kill you. It cost my grandfather his leg then his life! Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Well that would depend on if a skydivier uses a parachute. If so, I would recommend that you look at Title 14 1.1 Deffinations: Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

The FAR's specifically define and address parachute operations in other sections. Part 105.3 Defines "Object"Object means any item other than a person that descends to the surface from an aircraft in flight when a parachute is used or is intended to be used during all or part of the descent. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Contact your local FSDO, I saw a hard copy a couple of years ago but could not find it online. Your right and neither did I. What is does say is "Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight." Do you think that would include skydiving activity since it is on the sectionals and NOTAM's where needed. what about the part “and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC”? As you are very well aware of the FAA’s catch all is the “Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight” part. A skydiver in freefall, true, but under a parachute it is absolutely a aircraft (see Title 14 1.1 Deffinitions). If you believe that what you have said will save you then I would recommend a good lawyer. Could you see the FAA asking questions like: Did you see the parachute activity symbol on the sectional? Did you monitor ALL appropriate frequencies for activity? Did you make sure the airspace was clear before you entered it? While I absolutely agree that it is all parties responsibility, in the end I would bet that the airplane will feel the hot end of the poker from the FAA. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Then you might want to read 91.103 Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include— (a) For a flight under IFR or a flight not in the vicinity of an airport, weather reports and forecasts, fuel requirements, alternatives available if the planned flight cannot be completed, and any known traffic delays of which the pilot in command has been advised by ATC; and 91.113 (2) A glider has the right-of-way over an airship, powered parachute, weight-shift-control aircraft, airplane, or rotorcraft. The FAA has already ruled that personal parachutes have right-of-way over other aircraft except balloons. Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

Look here Party on and stay safe, Mango Mike Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!