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They usually do, don' they? not always when fear and oppression are the rule of law. It is hard to fight evil when evil rules. You can not tell me there are no good people in Iraq who have no idea where these bombers are. When they blow up food centers, power plants, oil pipelines, police stations, markets, and other places of innocence are they not causing harm to all? That being the case, if all good people stood up and said no more then would not all of Iraq benefit? Why are not the Imam's saying in unison, "These actions are wrong. The bombings are wrong. Love your neighbor. Care for the children. "? "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

So are you saying 2 wrongs make a right? Evil begets evil. If anyone lowers themselves to an evil person's level do they not, themselves, become evil? If we all said enough is enough, there would be pain and death in the beginning, but soon things would be better. All good Men (humans) should choose words over violence whenever possible. I think the bombings are entirely avoidable if the ones carrying them out chose not to. Just as most people in the world choose kindess over hatred. So can those who choose death over life. "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

I agree. You said difficult not impossible. In our war of independence we stood up. Against Hitler we stood up. Against slavery we stood up. Why can not not all good people stand up for what is right? "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

This is true as well. However, people have turned these people in and the government prosecutes them. My point is, again, no group is totally innocent of evil, but based on a review of all sources muslims are given more freedom from persecution and harm than they give other religions. In Saudi Arabia, one of the more modern Arab countries, there are numerous instances of persons being beaten and imprisoned for owning bibles. How is this just? Would the deity of any religion really want us to kill each other? would it not want us to live in peace and harmony worshiping it and serving the poor? "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

I agree with you, totally I don't think you can tell me there are no people who know where these imposters are. Then please explain why they don't turn these destroyers of innocent lives in. If it is the few that are causing the problems why are not the many rising up to say STOP!? Why are not the Imam's rising up in Unison saying this is not the way of Islam? "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Those are direct "attributed" quotes from the Q' uran Have we not grown more mature and peaceful at all as a species since the crusades? Are we now not able to have a discussion instead of a bombing? Or are individuals just choosing violence instead of peace? I personally would be more open to someone who talked to me instead of taking down two buildings full of people. FYI My sister in law works for a bank credit card center in the north east. After 9-11 happend, She told me before 9-11 that hundreds of families closed out their accounts because they were moving back to various muslim countries (We know because they gave forwarding addresses for their last bills). I will make no conclusions regarding her statement. It seems strange to me. "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

I agree. I do look at all sides. But let us look at who is doing the bombing. When was the last time a Mosque was suicide bombed during worship service? When was the last time anyone was beaten and imprisioned for owning a Koran? In the US, we call that those hate crimes. Christians are routinely beaten, killed and imprisoned in the Muslim world. I would agree with you except for the fact that it is members of the muslim religion that are bombing churches, police stations, hospitals, job centers, even mosques, power plants, water plants, food distribution centers, pizza parlors, discoteques, schools.... no group is totally innocent but the bombings need to stop. change can happen through productive discourse and positive actions. Do all the deaths really mean so little? "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

I will say first that I hold no ill toward any group of people based on color religion, sexual preference or other defining characteristics. I am only expressing my disbelief regarding current events and I remain objective. that a certain group of people targets all other religions for obliteration? that they say they are persecuted despite they are allowed to freely worship, own copies of their religious materials when it is they that persecute, kill, imprison, blow up, beat, destroy places of worship of members of ALL other religions? FROM THE KORAN ITSELF... You may already know about this one: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11] But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages: -Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause. - Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96). - Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12). - If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81). - A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78) - Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123). - Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29). - A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69). - A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152). - Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3). Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34). - Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57) - Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5) - Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37) - I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12) - They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33) - Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55 And Speaking of Paradise... "There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran. "Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets." "The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'" It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God." "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

sorry Sangiro, got caught up in the monent "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

This is just plain insane. How could any group of people in good conciense blow up innocent people esp women and children? EDIT BY REMSTER: keep the politics and relegion debate out of this forum. This is your 1 warning. Had you given me another minute I would have removed the inappropriate comments. I had just seen Sangiro's post All the best to those in London Check my sigline http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/edmund_burke.html "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Doh! Parliament took it away. Sorry Bloke "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Good conversation. A quiet evening together. looking at the stars together (no bugs) Nice dinner. shared massages and waking up in the arms of the one you love. "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Just curious. Why are there 29.5 approx pages of users who have never logged in? Also to user names expire if you don't log in during a 1 or 2 year period? "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Pm me with your e-mail and I will send you what I got from the Raft jump. Also getting two other vids of the jump 5 in all. "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

I do think we should something for the homeless. We should give them good jobs so they can take control of their lives. But.... A terrorist could use the guise of a homeless person to case, monitor, and carry out an attack against us Anywhere. for the record. I do not agree with this use of the Patriot act "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Funny, so did I. "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Scotchguard I burned through the scotch guard about a second after I started being dragged on my back across the runway. Can you say Damage? I knew you could. Mostly cosmetic. Pablo did incred job at RW "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Let's see. Gas $50 Beer $100 Salsa$50 Food $20 4 day weekend with friends skydiving 1st away boogie New DZ Jump 100 Priceless!!! See you all in the Skies! "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Great Idea. I want one. Let me know what kind of flailing I can do for you. "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Es tut mir aber leid. Ich habe sie nicht kennen gelernt aber Ich habe ihre posts gelesen. Meine Liebe zu alle ihre familie und freunde. Blaue Himmel "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Congrats! Have fun and don't biff on your 1st jump on your new rig. I did. Doh! "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

Shooting and Scuba "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

"You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

sounds like you are right on track with what I went through. My instructors kept telling me to relax "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

The best to all who knew him and his family. Blue Skies, Brother "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez