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There's other ways this could have happened to produce the equivalent effect, for example your pilot chute bridle could have been routed under a single group of lines, instead of straight off the bag, or in the chaos of deployment maybe your lines got above your pilot chute but both seem unlikely.

Who'se numbers? The ones I've seen for the top positions place the figure at 53% not 90%. And then there's the issue of including the olive branch nominees that the Democrats approved then rejected the rest. Like I said, statistics, lies & smoke. Geeze, you say there have been no filibusters, I say yes there have and you don't need to stand and talk, there's a gentleman's agreement, and addend that it's a DEM lie and you respond that I should read up on them there's a gentleman's agreement. I ALREADY SAID THAT, about three times in this thread including the post you responded to. Be consistent and READ THE POST if you're going to respond. It's like arguing with a goldfish.

As a student I was taught exit with hand on silver for 2000 and below and delay 1 sec to avoid deploying over the tail but we did jump the original student cypres. On whether to stay with the plane, I was told that if the pilot or jump master says to get out then get out regardless of the altitude because if you don't then you're probably going to die.

This is exactly what I'm talking about w.r.t. abuse of statistics to cloud the issue, the details of who was nominated and to what positions is important, but it makes a nice sounbite to hide what's going on from the masses. Do you ever follow the links posted in filibuster threads? Thanks to an agreement since the Clinton era a filibuster threat is the equivalent of a filibuster, hence the false claim oft repeated that there have been no actual filibusters. Yes there have, you no longer have to stand there for hours, you threaten a filibuster and it's the equivalent with reguards to allowing a vote. So please don't promulgate the party line that there have been no filibusters, it's just more smoke generated to obscure what's actually going on here. The abuse of procedures to repeatedly obstruct an up or down vote means tghat a key executive power granted the President is being completely undermined. You might not like the GOP getting its way but these judicial appointees are nominated by the President and approved by Congress. Repeatedly blocking that process because you aren't happy with the result of the election is what undermines the Senate, not restoring a situation where a poll is actually taken. Geeze, what a disaster, the elected representatives being allowed to vote on a nomination!!! How dare they!!

Are you aware that the US govt sanctions the transportation of Gitmo residents to Afghanistan & other places for interrogation in order to circumnavigate American and international law? Yea, and in some cases I am behind it 100%. Torturing to save lives is justified, in my mind. Torturing a taxi driver for fun and amusement costs lives, and not just his. Even if you advocate torture at the very least I assume you expect there's some return in it and some degree of confidence that you have an illegal combatant with information. In this case you had a congo line of degenerate cowards brutalizing an innocent man for no reason other that they thought it was funny. It's fucking unbelievable.

I sometimes wonder if you actually believe in the points you try to make. One filibuster does not a constitutional crisis make. An unprecedented and systematic obstruction of multiple nominees does, at this rate all we have to do is wait and Bush will be robbed of his executive prerogative. The Senate has gone a century in the past without as many filibusters as now occur in a 2 year period. There's clearly something wrong with the system in modern times. Pretty soon there will be some perfectly legal and constitutional moves to remedy this farce and get the Senate voting again and you can make some hollow accusations about the damage to the Senate after the Democrats have treated it with contempt. It's amazing to watch people imply that an effort to get the senate voting on issues stalled for 4 years is an attack on the institution. See earlier post for the etymology of the word filibuster.

Now that's a rolling Jeff Foxworthy punchline.

Nope, it was for the Queen or King and Empire. Empire not being a dirty word back then. Now if Bush said we're in Iraq for "Empire" you'd be jumping up and down saying "see I told you so", not trying to explain how Empire is really a synonym for defense. So I'm sure you now agree that it had nothing to do with defense and everyone knew it. And nobody could claim that the Conquistadors weren't after gold and a bit of proselytizing. Hitler cited German destiny I mean he didn't stop at the Rhineland, Austria or the Sudetenland, when it was all handed to him, not much to do with defense when he invaded Poland, in fact it was the opposite. And Napoleonic exploits were equally Imperial, he did declare himself an Emperor afterall.

You know a thread has gone horribly awry when you can't even parse the discussion with diff.

That's just not true. The British army kicked ass for the Empire in campaigns that were flagrantly financial. They sailed gunboats loaded with marines up the Yangtze, pillaged their treasury and forced China to buy opium the Brits grew in India. Napoleon made no pretense of defense, except when it really was, he was all about conquest for the glory of France. The Spanish in south America was a gold rush (and spreading the word to a much lesser extent). Hitler was all about racial destiny & territory even after Chamberlin tried to appease and let him keep his spoils thus far.

The photos are real and are self evident (one hopes), and of course nobody is off on a murdering rampage in Pakistan and Afghanistan, yet. I'm not sure that anyone really gives a shit about Saddam being humilliated, it's the least the butcher deserves. His lawyer has a nerve. The more pathetic Saddam looks to the world the more inclined they are to forget the decades of attrocities. Those photos are the best publicity he's had. Heck maybe his lawyer took them. Did you read the infantile screed from the broker? Sounds suspicious.

Does it take two to declare a Holy War? I think there was a holy war in progress several years before America ever fired a shot.

Actually I get pretty angry hearing some innocent farmer-taxi driver was tortured to death, especially the wanton cruelty of it. Some f*ing meat heads getting their jollies taking turns to beat his legs to a pulp as he hung from the ceiling because they thought it was funny that he cried out in agony to his god. Then kicking the shit out of him because he couldn't use the legs they'd destroyed. I think I've actually jumped the shark on this one. What kind of fucking degenerate command lets this happen?

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I like it...If they want to do it, then they should have to really do it. You can't have that, it would break a gentleman's agreement and Harry Reid would have to daiper up. All this talk of no actual filibuster is the product of an agreement in place for years where the threat of a filibuster is agreed to be as good as. Nobody actually has to filibuster, but the house majority leader could force the issue. FYI there are already rules preventing filibusters on budget issues. I guess overspending by a trillion dollars here or there and sending our grandkids to the poor house isn't enough to let someone with sense raise an objection, but judicial nominees.... now that's different. Just keep the money flowing.

More info on the Dilawar murder, this is with the guy hanging chained to the ceiling: That's gratuitous torture for personal amusement. They're getting charged, not enough of them yet by the sounds of it. And just to reinforce the view that military intelligence is an oxymoron:

Oh come on John, you're forgetting the utopia these poor misunderstood heroes created in Afghanistan. All that freedom the Taliban and Al Qaida lavished on their people over there. That's what Arabs really want and it's our fault that the butchers of 9-11 aren't able to bestow their wise leadership upon Pan-Arabia. We're oppressing them. Heck all those car bombs blowing worshipers apart outside mosques are our fault. We should just leave the country in the capable hands of these misunderstood heroes of the suppressed.

They asked the Pentagon for comment. They run it past them, and say "we're gonna run this care to comment". They hear nothing back and go with their story then blame the Pentagon. I doubt anything the Pentagon could have said would have stopped them. What they're implying is that the Pentagon's silence was corroboration and amazingly according to Isikoff, that the Pentagon never foresaw the consequences so they're as much to blame (see the original link I posted). The cowardice of Isikoff's the attempt to deflect justifiable criticism of Newsweak towards the administration just makes my head spin

I don't visualize "backwards". It seems (to me, but my spacial skills are bad) more like it would still be facing the correct direction, but inverted top to bottom. Only if it opened upsidedown

If nothing was disconnected during or after the pack job, wouldn't the only way to have the risers cross through each other mean that the canopy was upside-down? The way I visualize it yes, it would take two side line groups and the bag rotated through the opposite side, and your canopy would be flying backwards if you kicked out the twists I think.

Again, did you unhook the 3 rings. It does sound like a sort of stepthrough BTW, imagine taking your bag and rotating it so that the bag and two line groups on the left pass between two linegroups on the right before you do your stows or put it in the container. When you open one riser will be routed between the other (and the canopy will be backwards I think but maybe not obvious with the twists).

I don't see how most of those could cause one riser pair to be routed through the other.

Sorry, I added a second part while you responded, what about the 3-ring system, did you unhook it after bagging?

Was it the first jump after attaching the canopy to the harness, did you unhook the 3 rings after bagging in any way?

I'm not tarring anyone with his remarks and never have, I'm holding you accountable for yours. The record is there, why must you persistently imply I or anyone else said things they haven't? Even when you cite Santorum's apology you again misrepresent what he said. Here's what Santorum said by way of explanation and it's exactly in line with what I've said here: You've repeatedly ignored what Godwin's law actually states and played fast and loose with what Santorum actually said. YOU wrote "you're like a nazi!", in quotes, Santorum never said it. You can repeat it as often as you like it's still not what he said. That he withdrew any comment does not excuse nor justify your remarks, but keep bulldozing and ignoring the facts.