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Chirac: "Don't cry Schroeder there'll be other caption contests."

It gets even better, on Felt's trial: "On October 29, 1980, former President Richard Nixon appeared as a rebuttal witness for the defense, and testified that presidents since Franklin D. Roosevelt had authorized the bureau to engage in break-ins while conducting foreign intelligence and counterespionage investigations. It was Nixon's first courtroom appearance since his resignation in 1974. Nixon also contributed money to Felt's legal defense fund," Oh man this is too good.

You profess no knowledge yet you say they pale in comparrison. Unlike Nixon, he was convicted of his crimes, no need to put the word in quotes to trivialize his transgressions. It's all a matter of public record, they don't pale in comparrison, he was at the center of numerous FBI abuses over a prolonged period all uncovered by a congressional investigations years later, he carried out and ordered this stuff for years. He was number 2 at the FBI when the Hoover was a sick old man and while the FBI was routinely flouting the law, and later while he was leaking info to the press to damage a fellow crook (Nixon) who wouldn't promote him. Even as he was talking to Woodward he was breaking the law, and I don't mean by leaking; he was breaking the law and violating the rights of US citizens including war protestors contemporaneously with the Watergate incident. If you read Woodward's account this guy was a serial leaker, it didn't start because Watergate was a unique threat to him, he was leaking FBI investigative information to Woodward for years before Watergate ever happened. On top of all this it turns out according to one report that Nixon knew through an undisclosed source that Felt was the leaker anyway, but was afraid to dismiss him because he'd spill all the beans immediately. You can't make this stuff up. It's more twisted than any plausible fiction we could conceive.

Schroeder meets Chirac and demands a caption contest, see attached image.

My father worked in Saudi Arabia for well over a decade, he related a story of an electrical fault he investigated at a house there. The husband was trying to explain the fault and pointed to a bare wire near the ceiling, then he gestured to his wife, who dutifully touched the wire. She was given a dangerous electrical shock and knocked to the ground. She picked herself up and the husband continued talking, then he turned to his wife and gestured at her to perform another demonstration, she was about to without hesitation until my father made it clear that no further demonstration was required. It became obvious that she'd been doing many demonstrations of the electrical problem for her enlightened spouse.

This guy has serious skills, maybe we shouldn't mess with North Korea. http://216.26.163.62/2004/ea_nkorea_06_16.html I mean holy shit, with that kind of talent we're taking a serious risk, this guy is amazing!

Since you edited; No he didn't, you just picked one of his posts to unfairly characterize the wager again trying to swing the results, that was actually in relation to WMD. Bill specified some criteria, it's in your first post, but the underlying issue is evidence of Saddam's links to terror, and since you're ignoring that, here it is again: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1662459;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;guest=13618117 Now you can keep whitewashing this and unfairly calling Rhino a welcher but to use your own words; "It makes you seem a bit ...cheesy, don't you think?"

Why the heck should he, that's a crazy idea. The wager wasn't about opinion of self selecting voters in a biased poll, it was about the facts. Did you check the title of this thread? Oh, wait YOU wrote the title, with the intent of loading the question. I'm sure you wouldn't but it's clear you want Rhino to be seen as welching on a bet, in spite of the facts.

There's no entry for skydiving, that should reduce your average a bit, but it's hardly a useful predictor. It's kind of a binary thing that makes all predictions less accurate but keeps the average correct.

Or you can pay? Your decision. WMD's were found. WMD's are still there. Do I need to elaborate?

Just as you should pay but could decide not to: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1662459;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;guest=13618117

More deflection. I've listened to Ford's comments on the topic, there was no prior arrangement, and the pardon was pre conviction, not post. I've drawn no such comparrison, but since we're here a comparrison is not out of line. Why do you absolutely refuse to aknowledge Deep Throat's crimes. Which b.t.w. were AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THE USA. He was part of Hoover's big brother machine breaking in and wiretapping 'dissident' U.S. citizens, specifically war protestors. He was also the guy in charge of this at teh FBI, he had virtual autonomy and even nominal control of this towards the end of Hoover's tenure. How can you ignore this? You seem to think it's OK because he tattled on Nixon for covering up the kinds of things he'd ACTUALLY DONE and ordered? Do you think it would partly absolve Nixon to acknowledge Deep Throat's flaws? I don't, you seem hell-bent on elevating a guy who under all other circumstances you'd pillory.

The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game. Your statement was silly. My parents and my sister (who is even older than me) lived in Kent and could see the black crosses on the bombers flying over their heads to bomb the airfields. I suppose next you'll be telling us that Chamberlain and Churchill started the fires in the East End and painted Hurricanes to look like Heinkels. You appear to have completely misunderstood the point I was making, it explains your confusion.

You're incorrigible. I'm not a Nixon lover and the topic of what he could have done has been covered at length, I think Kissinger said it best, but why repeat it, you have the means to read what he said if you're genuinely interested in your own question. Stop evading, why have you nothing to say about this man's crimes? He sent a gang of burglers to jail when he'd committed similar crimes and while they were rotting in jail he managed to get a pardon from a sitting President.

The pot calls the kettle black. I'm being less silly than a few other posters here. Where's Billvon to complain about nazi analogies when you need him, oh wait this is Bush bashing so it's fair game.

kallend, it's already been covered extensively. But since it's question time, why have you nothing to say about your new allie's own crimes for which he was pardoned. Gordon Liddy et.al. did their time while this guy was hiding in plain sight asking Reagan for a pardon. No wonder the guy was ashamed.

Bill, I made my objection clear that saying citing a clock as a navigational tool as it relates to roundness implies direct measurement, saying after that they used dead reckoning is a copout.. I agree there were some who theorized that the Earth was round, heck just look at Giordano Bruno, and the amazing views he held, I'm sure he wasn't unique. I'm of the opinion the educational standards and general opinion was a bit more diverse back then. I don't think we actually disagree on this it's just an itneresting discussion.

It's open & shut, there's evidence, it also makes it clear that this wasn't just about WMD and everyone knew that before they forgot. Heck Rhino can spell Saddam now too, so he wins just because of the derivative of his stock price. Just for context, this exchange took place when US troops were on the outskirts of Baghdad, 4 days before it fell.

It would be a miraculous accomplishment to prove the action was contingent on the reward. It's bloody obvious to everyone it wasn't, amazing the sorts of shit a TV camera will extract from people, moreover Woodward would also be subject to prosecution in such a fantasy. The most troubling thing in all of this was that this guy's transgressions (illegal FBI breakins) were pardoned. This is exactly the kind of thing kallend would normally be screaming blue murder over, but this old buzzard gets a free pass because he brought down a republican. Heck can you imagine what would be said by the guys defending this self serving malicious old hypocrite if Bush pardoned someone in the FBI who illegally wiretapped moveon.org? Heck I'd like to see a Nexis search on what the left said when Reagan did pardon him.

So does this mean the Polish, French, Russians, British and Americans were lied to when they were told they were attacked and had to go to war against the axis powers? Would it have been unpatriotic of a British citizen to resist going to war with Germany when British freedom was at stake? You can take an analogy too far, at some point you have to consider the differences between one set of circumstances and another.

There's world of difference between calculating speed with a clock and using a clock to measure longitude directly. The latter requires accuracy and knowledge that the Earth was round, and that is of course the whole point, indirect measurements are irrelevant. At what time did sailors really start accepting that the Earth was round and trying to measure longitude? Sailors observed for centuries that tallship masts would appear before the ship as they crested the horizon. The claim that sailors navigated by sextant and clock is a claim out of context for what it implies about direct measurement of longitude and therefore the belief in longitude on a sphere. Use of a sextant though... I don't think the flat earth society would approve. If Columbus was even close to measuring longitude on a sphere, he'd have had a clue of how big the Earth was and wouldn't have made his famous error, but maybe him trying explains it

As long as they don't MAKE you use a black beret the Rangers can always go for another color

Interesting stuff: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/01/AR2005060102124_pf.html

Yea but Ronald Reagan pardoned him so it's all good. You can't make this stuff up

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