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Confirmed; http://www.washingtonpost.com/

Exactly, the idea that this is the minority leader losing control of EVERYONE just doesn't fly.

Well said Ron, excellent post.

If even a handful of Dems voted for cloture it would have gone to a vote. This isn't the minority leader merely losing control (which suggests a few rebels), it's the entire caucus voting against cloture en masse. This ain't a loss of control, it's orchestrated with virtually unanimous Democratic support, it IS control. w.r.t. the spirit of the deal, the deal was between 14, if enough of those 7 Dems had voted for cloture Bolton would have gotten his vote, so in this respect the spirit of the deal being broken is confined to the actions of those of the the 7 "moderate" Democrats who signed it but just failed to vote for cloture on Bolton. It seems inevitable that this deal will have the opposite effect and only make filibusters on other votes more likely. McCain is talking about getting them access to secret documents on Bolton that apparently many have already seen, we'll see if it makes a difference, I don't see why it would in the world of D.C. politics. P.S. as for doing away with the filibuster, the 7 Republicans have pleged not to do that as their half of the deal. It'll get real interesting watching the Republican 7 and the accusations leveled at them if the Republican leadership decides to attempt to get rid of the filibuster now. If you think it was confusing with lies about no actual filibusters before just wait till the food fight gets into gear over interpretatons of this deal if it implodes.

Then start your own thread instead of ridiculing a reasonable observation.

Its funny how there are clearly so many hardcore liberals here and yet none of them admit it, even in an anonymous poll. Yes I am shocked by the results so far. I thought there would be a numbers would be higher for the "hard core liberal". I think there's a genuine tendency for hard core lefties to see themselves as moderates or centrists. You can see it in the self assessment of journalists who invariably vote Democrat. Just ask Dan Rather where he stands on the political spectrum, everyone seems to know except him.

More details on his rumored injuries and possible movements; http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050528/wl_nm/iraq_zarqawi_dc

I don't judge a piece of writing by the publication it's in. I judge it based on the contents of the article, you'd be well served to try the same approach.

I'll take it over CBS. It seems that every media outlet that doesn't dance to your tune is the target of ridicule. As long as there's the appearance of propriety you have no problem calling a biased blowhard like Rather a neutral source of news for a few decades.

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20050527-090415-8402r.htm

I believe polar bears also kill in this manner. Several species are known to killing for pleasure, and all sorts of reasons beyond food that humans would consider ignoble. Moreover when an animal kills for food I'd bet it enjoys the experience immensely. Ever seen a family cat that killed birds for sport but only ate kittycat?

These women have more to be proud of than ashamed of. RTFA, this was set up to force a rule change, I expect it will.

Jedis liberal? Let's face it, liberals would order a suspension and an inquiry every time a Jedi lopped off an arm, or decapitated a bad guy. I'm sure liberals would have thrown Mace Windu in jail for 'executing' Jango Fett right after he'd disarmed him. It's just as well there wasn't an embedded reporter to film it and sent the footage back to Coruscant.

In Britain there was a brand of jam that had a golliwog more recently christened "Golly" printed on every jar, and that was pretty recent. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1505411.stm http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=golliwog

The problem IMO is the denial and blame placing. When this story ran in Newsweek, the reaction from the Administration and the Pentagon was that the facts were wrong, how dare you lie about this and put our people in danger. That's a lot different in my view then saying Yeah, it happened, we fixed it, it won't happen again, sorry. The tactics that were used remind me of the answers I get when I ask my three year old who ate all the cookies. Nobody is saying it happened or didn't. At best they're equivocal. Most of the reaction came when Newsweek couldn't back up their story while an inquiry was ongoing. That doesn't change Newsweek's action, of saying the administration shared the blame for their publishing decisions by not censoring them which is still unbelievable. From people who've accused the USA of orchestrated mass murder in places including Guantanamo saying they were responsible for someone kicking a Quran about the floor is almost a compliment. We still have a single prisoner allegation on the incident in question and remedies that were in place 2 years ago. If you didn't find fault with the administration I would be worried, alas they are not omnipotent when it comes to conducting inquiries.

Not what I meant and not at all what actually happened. I didn't expect you to find any fault with the idea that the blame for everything rests with the administration, at least while Bush is the leader. Nor view a single terrorist-prisoner allegation with any skepticism. Blame Bush is what you do best Bill. "the FBI agent wrote" is actually an FBI agent quoting a detainee allegation lest you be misled by the wording, and there are two sides to every story. Guards in Guantanamo actually reported the Quran flush too saying it had been done by an inmate, and it's all history even according to the Red Cross. Aside from all this, I'm with Hitchens on this as I said earlier, the real blame lays with the assholes that went on the murderous rampage, what was and still is particularly reprehensible was Newsweeks response that the DoD shared the blame for failing to censor them and their single sourced story. See the link. That doesn't change reguardless of the final outcome of the allegations.

Dunno about you but that sounds more than merely hard to me. Do we have a volunteer? It reminds me of a comedy sketch or cartoon I saw once, on teleportation. You get into the teleportation booth get scanned and transmitted to the new location and recreated, voilla you're there. The jist of the joke was that scan was not destructive, the guy in the original booth was still standing there.... until the booth corrected the anomaly by destroying the original copy. In those last few seconds after the scan the passenger finally understands how a teleporter really works. Booth: "Teleportation complete" Passenger: "WTF? No wait!!!!! Ugh..." Like I said read "The Emperors New Mind" by Roger Penrose. The strong AI & brain simulation proponents may not have all the answers.

Don't let me stop you dude. Maybe I should have said Touché or something suitably French. The original post was meant to evoke some of the Star Wars - USA analogy silliness in the first place.

This is a referendum about sovereignty. If you're going to have one then don't like the outcome should you proceed anyway?

....not with a cheer but with a President ignoring a referendum on National Sovereignty. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1629946,00.html Chirac says renegotiation of teh constitution is out even if his countrymen vote no on his grand plan. Everyone else must proceed with it.......... this is getting fun, time to break out the popcorn. The great solution being proposed? After the people vote no all political parties should offer Hobson's choice in their manifestos going into the next election so they have a pretext to ratify it anyway. You just can't make this stuff up. If only the rest or Europe advocated slavery, then he could raise an army and go marching over there cracking skulls in the name of civil rights until he had a true European Republic.

On that we can agree, on both sides of the aisle.

There are many problems, and I understand this issue has been around for centuries. Jefferson was deeply concerned about it. That doesn't mean it has remained constant in character. The system of government with judges riding roughshod over the legislature might have an ounce of credibility if they ever half way agreed on any profound issues of government. As it is it's just the opinion of a few old farts winning the day (and not the old farts in congress this time).

Will they be afraid to let men of Middle Eastern origin board them?

You seem to have forgotten a nominated judge approved by 100% of the Senate in a unanimous vote to the apellate courts who is now considered a radical and "extreme" case for progression to the supreme court. This is all symptomatic of a judicial branch of government has run amok, this wouldn't be near as contentious if these guys enforced the laws and the constitution instead of pulling it out their ass and even reversing themselves on supposedly fundamental constitutional issues every decade.