Michele

Columbia was built in 1979. Don't think there was anything there for them. And if it was the explosion they're talking about, there wouldnt have been any time. Edit: Columbia had no bailout system, and was travelling at about mach 6. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Thanks, Hagar. Slut, check original post. Highly edited...some info there (not much, but some). ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Just curious for all those out there who'd know, 'cause I sure don't know...(and the Pentagon and JCS are meeting right now for a Domestic Events Conference - normal procedure for something like this). Is there anything that could reach 207k/217k feet in the air? Oh my god, this is horrible. ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

I'll try to update this post as best I can. ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Breaking right now. try the TV...MSNBC, FOX, CNN...all carrying it. I'll try to keep the post updated. ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

NASA Mission lost contact radar and voice on the hour with the Space Shuttle while it was over Texas. It was on automatic radio. It is preparing to land...news saying we should've heard sonic booms, and should've seen by now. Should be on the runway right now. Contingency plan could've been implemented. No objects tracked at all. Edit 1: NASA instructing all to secure all data. Alti last known at was 207,000 feet (possible 217K). Would've been cutting thrusters and coming in as a glider. Last communications at 8 am. 6:23 Edit 2: Columbia Space Shuttle carried 7 astronaut. missing last 22 minutes. Scheduled to land at Cape Canaveral at 9:22. normal communications lost as re-enter atmosphere...but not regained at all. Still not on radar. No ability to restart engines and re-enter orbit. No tracking. Merit Island not receiving data. 6:27 Edit: Out of contact for 27 minutes, 10 minutes late to land. Family members waiting. Family members have been brought into secure area. 6:30 am Edit. Per Kyle Herring(unk) PAO at NASA: Nothing new. Maintaining posture (contingncy plans...securing notes and data). Radar tracks single streaks, and then multiple streaks. 12,500 mph. traveling. Series of high speed turns from computer design made at that point to slow. Tape being shown by FAA, something has occured...unknown (CNN) 6:34 Search and rescue teams in Palestine TX Loud impact. Dallas S&R on way, have been mobilized. 6:36 NASA asks anyone finding something unusual to leave it alone, call local police. Dallas FW area, vicinity should be avoided. Report immediately. May be hazardous. 6:40 Showing tape. Arc of descent is severe. Looks like it's burning. 6:40 KXAS TV/Texas reporting that Shuttle has exploded over Texas. Mobilizing all emergency procedures. 6:43 MSNBC now talking about terrorism... NASA repeating all debris should be reported to local law enforcement and avoided. Hazardous. S&R teams have been alerted and are movnign out. 6:48 Per AP: 16 days ago during launch, insulation foam on fuel tank broke off and struck left wing. Columbia was oldest in fleet, scheduled for retrofitting and modification. Built in 1979. 6:58 NASA not declaring lost yet, but it's pretty clear it's down. 7:00 NASA declares lost flight. State of Emergency declared by NASA (not state, nor federal. Internal only) 7:22 Debris being found in many places, wide area. Central and east Texas. No additional ground injuries being reported yet. 7:32 Nacadocious city PIO states that there are several large debris sites within the city of Nackadocious. No reports of injuries on the ground. (Unsure of spelling of the city.) No reports of damage yet. 8:01 Per NASA: Large debris field spotted in North Central Texas (no specific area identified). NASA will hold news conference at 8:30 PST/11:30 EST. NASA has lowered flag to half-staff. 8:19 White House reports no indication of terrorism. Homeland Office confirms. 8:38 Press conference delayed. Search grid expanded to Texas, Oklahoma, Arkasas and perhaps even New Mexico. Rest in peace, fearless flyers. Reach and find your wings, fly free, far and fast. Thank you, and Godspeed Rick Husband, Commander (USA) William McKull, Pilot (USA) Michael Anderson, Payload Specialist (USA) Kalpana Chalwa(USA, born in India, naturalized citizen) David Brown (USA) Laurel Clark (USA) Ilon Ramon (Israeli) Keep them in your prayers... Please forgive typos. I am in tears. I am leaving this as it stands. Should there be anything new, I'll come back in. Blue skies, my brothers and sisters, blue skies and god speed. ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

No thanks, Dave. I can write my own quite nicely, thanks. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Well, Dave, I do use my imagination, which is why I didn't know who he was. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

I was listening to a dear friend on the phone. Now, I'm simply listening to the silence of the night. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[whispers] oh, o.k...thanks... I am too old to be this naive...[/whispers] ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Psssssst...misskriss....who's Ron Jeremy? Don't tell anyone I asked.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Nope, no dragon dreaming for this lady. But still I'm in a mood.... Oh well, stuck at home on a friday evening, working all weekend, but I can sublimate some of my mood when I jump on Monday! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

ROFL...owwwwwwwww...oh manohman owwwwwwwwwwwwwww... And then your sig line...LOL....

I can only speak for myself...but no, it didn't mask the development of strength. What it did was stop the spiral (imagine being in freefall without a parachute...you know you're gonna hit hard...and there's nothing you can do about it), gave me something to stand on, and then I could develop skills which I needed to survive the next episode without the meds. Glad that you found the sky. It helps me, too. The day after my first skydive, I tossed out the prozac and informed my therapist I was done with those. I stayed on the sleep meds, and still occasionally need to use them (maybe once a month or so). But I also credit my own hard work in therapy, a great therapist, and the meds for getting me to a place where I could learn how to deal with some very difficult things. Depression has, thankfully, become something which has strengthened me, deepened my compassion, stretched me in so many ways, and created opportunities to connect with others on a level I had not thought myself capable of. Last note on this thread (baring someone really not understanding what depressed people deal with)...if you need meds, get them. Make sure they are prescribed by someone who understands them, specializes in them, and have lots of follow-up care. Screw those folks who'll give you a hard time for using them - get well, and then deal with them. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Thanks, 'Mama. You're kewlio. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Um...I'll pass. Ceils- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

No preference, per se...as long as they catch my eye, make me smile and laugh, and are gentlemen, I couldn't care less about racial features. Besides, I agree with Jraf...we all bleed red, you know? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Jan, that's a funny photo (made me laugh out loud)...but...but...where're you? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Hey, would someone tape it for Kate, she seems to live in the wrong area, and then send it to her at Square1? It would be fun to see it, but it doesn't show up here. Maybe also get it up onto skydivingmovies or something? 'Twould be fun and a great addition to view (I won't be able to see it, either, 'cause I live in a 'burb of LA, and it would interrupt the soaps or something...). Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

I thought it was a tat. But then again, what do I know? I've never seen a tattoo'd, uh, "Mr. Winky" before, so I could be totally wrong...is it paint? (well, truth is I've never seen a painted Mr. Winky before, either...I'm sheltered and naive...) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Uh, Dave, are you sure it's not the "Mighty" part which doesn't fit? (oh stop. I'm playing! I know I don't do that often, but hey...I'm in a mood...) Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

That's actually really funny. Edit...o.k, I really have to ask. Sorry if this is inappropriate, but I just gotta ask. It will bug me if I don't just ask...Did he have to have an erection to get the ink in all the right places? And do you figure he's a bit of a masochist? Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Good deal! Thank her for the poem please. And tell her congratulations from me! Hugs to you, Cora! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

***Disclaimer: I am a depression sufferer, not a Dr. I have been known to be wrong on more than one occasion...and this occasion is no different than any other one...**** Depression is thought to be caused by seratonin depletion. Seratonin is, unless I'm greatly mistaken, a chemical which your brain needs to balance emotional response, to stay "level". If you're faced with a situation which is on-going, one can see how staying level would be difficult, and use a lot of seratonin. To keep using seratonin up depletes the stores of it, and you end up with less to draw on. Over time, the brain ends up with nothing to draw on, and serious depression occurs. Untreated, depression kills. Sometimes quickly, sometimes over years, but it does kill. It masquerades in many different forms, and can be hidden behind other illnesses, both physical and mental. It is hard to treat without understanding the cause, but you can't touch the cause without intervention. Meds like Prozac, Zoloft, wellbutrin and so forth are SSRI's (Selective Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors)(again, I could be wrong with classification on all the drugs). It prevents you from using all the seratonin available at once, and you begin to balance. Once your feet are back under you, you can start dealing with the issues which led to the imbalance in the first place. There is a school of thought which says that people who suffer chronic depression are actually unable to produce enough seratonin, but it takes an event to deplete the seratonin that leads to depression. It's a susceptability, I suppose, towards less seratonin than "normal" folks that can trigger the depletion process. There is also something called "situational depression' which, unless you are susceptible to depression, is transient and will generally resolve itself. The DSM V symptomology is not indicative of situational depression, which most people experience at one point or another. Chronic or severe depression is something which is, as stated, hard to combat and hard to diagnose. And the recidivism rate is something like 50% - once you've experienced a severe episode, the chances are equal that you will experience another one in the future. In my particular situation, I have had two episodes which were severe since coming off my medications. There are techniques and ways to combat it, but you cannot learn them while in the midst of an episode. And one of those episodes was severe enough that I considered going back onto the medication to balance out again. But because I had learned some coping techniques and some skills I had not had prior to diagnosis and treatment, I was able to manage (barely) without getting back on the meds. Just my .02, and please remember the disclaimer. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~

Thank you, Bill. Well said. Zennie: Yes. For years on end. Yes. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~