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Jo, What was the name of the screw and bolt company and where was it located? Are you dodging Georger's questions? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo isn't trying to double dip. I think she indicated that when she said the SS issue with Collins was moot due to her now receiving survivor benefits on her (most recent) deceased husband's SS account. SS is a mess, but we can't blame Jo for that. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Blevins wrote Jo has a friend who works there, night clerk I think. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote It's an old story Jo, white guys with connections get all the breaks. The FBI's practice of annointing a chosen few with special Norjack file review priviliges is wrong. We sure agree on that. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Well at least you see that it does appear ridiculous, that's prgress Jo. I think it is a few steps beyond ridiculous, but thats just my skeptical point of view. If it was a good luck tie leaving it on the plane was not too bright. The tie and tac are not distinctive enough to convey this message to anyone. Agree, we've seen the RFK tie claim quite a few times. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

My only jet jump was in 2006 at WFFC in Rantoul Ill. out of a DC 9-21. There was a big wind blast on exit, but it wasn't super violent. There were some items lost like goggles and fanny packs, but I didn't lose anything. Here is a recently posted account of a 727 jump over Quincy Ill. at an earlier WFFC in 1992. It gives you something to think about regarding the difficulty of keeping the Cooper loot attached. Estimated airspeed was 205 mph, but I dont know how accurate that estimate was: 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wasn't this supposed to have been RFK's tie lifted from a hotel room by Duane? Then it gets titanium shavings on it during his subsequent employment at a screw and bolt company. Then he leaves it on the Norjack aircraft neatly folded awaiting FBI discovery. Then he jumps, lands and makes his escape. If ties could talk what tales they would tell. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Nope. It's E/I. Ohmmmmmmmm 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Was that death knot in your bailout kit Farf? Along with the condoms, fish hooks and local language "I am not the guy who just bombed your village" cards? How about coming to Ariel? I'll buy your beers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Vicki wrote: Now that's thinking out of the box. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Norman had a machine shop, still does. His chutes were taken on the plane. What if DBCs tie got the titanium and other machined metals from Norman's rigs? Bruce, can you ask Norman to read the complete tie findings on Tom's website and ask him whether he had been working with the listed metals prior to Norjack? Were the chutes carried through or stored in or near the shop floor? Could they have had metals from the shop floor on their exterior? I wish I had thought of all this, but alas, my best ideas turn out to be plagarized from Snowmman. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I've worked in several places that had machine shops. I can run a mill, a lathe, drill press and a few other machines (but not well enough to fool a journeyman machinist). Ties were always forbidden on the shop floors as were scarves, wraps, neck jewelry and anything else that might get caught on operating machines. I remember once being asked to remove my tie when I went onto the machine shop floor to speak to one of the machinists. How about other ways that metal turnings and particles could have got onto the tie? Sure, it's possible that even the offices at a machine shop are contaminated with stuff dragged in from the shop floor on clothing and footwear, but what about other explanations? Why isnt the FBI all over this tie evidence and looking for sources and suspects who might have worked there? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wow, a day where evidence ovewhelmed infighting. Thanks Snow, thanks Tom and team. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote DRAMA ALARM. Condition red. Seriously Jo, switching into this stilted voice writing about yourself as a heroic martyred third person, what's the point? It sounds like tombstone text. You got some probative evidence? Post it. You got teases and self important drama? Save it. I still like you Jo, but your endless teases and unfulfilled promises of imminent blockbuster evidence try even my patience.... and 377 has a LOT of patience. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote No Jo, we can only depend on you teasing and can never deoend on your promised disclosures. Well, as predicted, the time horizon slips and slides until it becomes indefinite. No more? Please Jo, how about 11 hours. Pulleeeze??? How does your hard work justify continued concealment? That makes about as much sense as Duane being DBC. Have you put the news stations on a 12 hour alert? Your house will be surrounded by white vans with telescoping antenna masts. Cameras and microphones will be thrust in your face. "Mrs. Cooper, just a few words for our viewers, please Mrs. Cooper." Forget the 12 hour heads up Jo. I'll just program an RSS alert and wait til my smart phone beeps. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farfling asks Yes, it's illegal in all 50 states. Keep that in mind Farf, not to guide your behavior, but it might be on the multistate portion of your bar exam. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote You should see how little fuel our jumpship carries Farflung. You'd truly be shocked. But its VFR and all the flying is done close to the field. Very frequent hot (engines running) refuels are normal. DZ owner Bill Dause, who was the initial west coast skydiving community choice for a DBC suspect, actually ran the tanks dry on Beech 18 over Pope Valley. He reportedly had everything set up for a no power landing, was on final and then he put the gear down. Came in way short and totaled the plane. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, How can you be so sure. You don't know, you are just speculating. I've been jumping for 43 years. I still jump. I have made a jet jump. I've jumped many kinds of military surplus gear. I have no idea about Coopers experience as a pilot or skydiver. It's all just guesses. I dont belittle or berate those who have opinions different than mine about Cooper. Neither should you. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wish we had some footage of the FBI sled test military jumper making his first trip down the stairs. We have one photo which shows him near the bottom facing up the stairs, but that could have been taken after he turned around. I think if you had the details of the Air America 727 jumps you'd do a forward facing pull off deployment. Haven't repeated this in a long time but the Cooper chute is very likely still out there. No reason for him to pack it out if alive. If he went in it's out there as well, but packed. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

IIRC, in 1971 the repack cycle was 60 days. Mark That's right. It just changed to 120 days a few years ago thanks to the FAA lobbying efforts of Allen Silver, a commercial and military rigger. Allen is an old time skydiver too. He was one of my jumpmasters back in the late 60s. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote Your Spidey sense is correct, big time. You would be shocked at ACTUAL rigger repack intervals. Of course I am not speaking about my own gear. As long as emergency rigs and reserves are kept in dark dry places with moderate temps and no mice, they can go for years without a repack and still open OK. Normans repack intervals show that he subscribed to the skydiver repack protocol rather than the FAA one. My first reserve (26 ft Navy conical) was way out of date when I popped it over Pope Valley in the 70s. I was a poor student and chose between jump tickets or repacks. My second, a PD 193R, popped at WFFC 2005 was fresh and legal. The FAA very rarely looks at skydiver rigs but they show up at airports and do ramp checks on planes which could include a look at packing cards in emergency chutes. I wonder what packing interval is required for those ballistic chutes that let entire small planes down, like the Cirrus? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Blevins wrote Yes I did Robert. It was a lot more entertaining than my version. All this talk about Cooper going in as a no pull with an impossibly hard to pull right hand outboard ripcord handle etc... Hey, just don't leave the stairs until you've pulled. It's simple. Stay put until the deploying chute pulls you off the stairs. Until I saw the Air America 727 exits I'd have never thought about pulling while still on the stair but after seeing it that would be my first choice. I thought the deployment and opening shock would be extremely violent. It wasn't. Not at all. The canopies squidded, opened slowly and the jumpers didn't tumble. Cooper wanted a 727. He asked if that was the type of aircraft that would be flying the route he booked. Did he know for sure a 727 could be jumped? Did he know about the Air America jumps? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

OK here's the deal. You are exiting from a jet at night. It's flying fast. This aint no King Air or Twin Otter jump. You have a poor or non existent visual horizon. Your chances of establishing and maintaining stable frefall aren't so good and an asymmetric attached payload of loot makes the chances lower. So maybe you knew about the Air America 727 static line jumps. Bingo. There won't be any tumbling or loss of control. You'll deploy right off the steps. Better not try that with a canopy that is redlined at 150 or 160 mph. The tough old C9, the Nylon Pitbull, is your answer. The C9 can take it, noooo problem. You see two rigs. One is a military bailout rig, the other a commercial rig for private pilots. You guess that the military rig is more likely to contain a high speed military canopy, so you pick that one. You pull the ripcord while standing on the bottom of the stairs facing forward. The pilot chute pops out, grabs air, extracts your canopy and in a few seconds you are hanging under an open canopy. The danger isn't over yet, but you have left the plane and you are alive and descending at a survivable speed. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How incredibly heroic and incredibly sad. RCAF SARTECHS, USAF PJs and USCG rescue swimmers put their lives on the line performing hazardous maritime rescues. It is so sad when their brave selfless actions cost them their lives. RIP Sgt Gilbert. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That's definitely C9 territory. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.