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Which of course is why we keep going back to our DZs like desperate junkies. There is no skydive methadone. Tunnels dont really scratch the itch. Microsoft will never make a credible freefall simulator. You gotta go up and fall down. Nothing else will do. Check out this insane chuteless waterfall "jump". It looks real to me, but I know you can do miracles with computer graphics tricks. Assuming it is authentic footage, how crazy can you get and still survive? Surely this is close to the limit. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/si_video/2009/05/13/0905.palouse.SportsIllustrated/index.html 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger, I haven't gone look yet but please remind me - had the discussion about the potential hard pull entered yet? I personally think a priori it is impossible to say what chances of survival were unless we know whether or not he had experience and whether or not it was a hard pull. Even before we get to a discussion about where he may have landed. So an interesting discussion, but fruitless, and miles away from either ckret's "he died" or jo's "we know he survived because he married me later". Just like without knowing exactly how Cooper attached the money bag, we have no idea if it came loose or not; but certainly chances are that an experienced jumper would have known more what to expect and prepare for. Someone, Nitrochute I think, was going to try and assemble a Cooper rig and measure the pull force required to dislodge the pins from the cones. The hard pull issue could be pivotal if Cooper had no freefall experience. Unless you have experienced a really hard pull you probably don't know how disorienting and panic inducing it can be. Add night, fear, inexperience, tumbling, ripcord handle access interference and you have a good recipe for a no pull. Even an experienced jumper might underestimate the forces to be encountered in a jet jump at those airspeeds. I was a bit surprised by the windblast forces on my DC 9 jet jump and so were others. Things that normally stayed put were dislodged. Some people lost stuff. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sluggo, They sure do convey different info. Statement 1: Anderson remembered the pressure bump that occurred during the hijack and expected it to happen again during the test. He compared the events and they were identical. Statement 2: Anderson did not recall a pressure bump but was reminded of its occurrence during the hijack when it occurred during the test. Is that what you mean? I wonder which Anderson statement paraphrase is the more accurate one? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I jumped a couple of weeks ago. Can't say that it helped solve the DB Cooper mystery, but it was fun. Our DZ is doing 18K for $28 and they get you up there in under 10 minutes! I am up for basic facts. What do you have to offer? In the absence of facts, conjecture is all we have to work with. Welcome to the forum Amazon. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good thing typing under the influence is legal. Go to sleep Jo. Quade isn't killing the forum. I don't recall the photo you refer to that has someone gathering a chute. I do recall one of some smoke jumpers standing at camp, no chutes, with a guy who looks like one in your recent photo. Where did your recent photo come from and what does it have to do with Cooper? Why don't you state all the facts you have? You tease constantly and it is counterproductive. Hope the meds help. No doubt they are doing something to your brain, hopefully something pleasant and beneficial. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Oh... Cooper... I had almost forgotten about that guy. Some guesses: Smoke jumper, loadmaster or aircrew SE Asia experience in 60s No prior serious crimes Lived outside of the US prior to NORJACK No connection to Duane Weber Really jumped, no MK Ultra NO-JACK Never interviewed by FBI 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Do you want to be called when your lost freebag and PC are chewed by a $250,000 harvester? I sure as hell don't. Hmmm... hadn't thought bout that. Lost my freebag at WFFC 2005. Everyone saw where it landed in a soybean field not far downwind from where my main was found, but after HOURS of searching, including a look from the air, I had to reluctantly give up. Those soybeans can really swallow gear. Bet it did get "harvested" eventually. Bet some farmer is pissed. Hope the sun weakened it enough to prevent serious trouble. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Right you are Jo. My mistake. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A local high school has successfully contained tagging by designating a graffiti wall where it is permitted and encouraged. It has been amazingly effective. Never thought of myself as a tagger but here I am, writing on Quade's designated wall and leaving the rest of the dropzone.com website relatively free of DBC gang graffiti. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Welcome Jason. Skip the additional tandems and get right into AFF. Your money is better spent there IMHO. If you get a chance book some tunnel time at iflysfbay.com. I think if you conquer instability in the tunnel then AFF will go a lot better for you. I am not an AFF instructor however. See what they advise. If you think a tandem was great wait until you jump solo! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Any guess how much drag this would create at lower speeds (15-20mph?) My mom is developing a problem with her new young sled dogs going faster/harder than the brakes on the sled, was wondering if a round (or in this case, a fat PC) could have any value as a deployable option for her. The speeds may not be sufficient and the terrain a bit hostile to a larger one, but when we're talking $10, it's a cheap experiment. They give a fair amount of drag at 20 MPH, but if they collapse and drag on the ground they really dont want to reinflate very easily. I'd pass for the sled unless you want to modify them with a stiffener rod for to keep the top fabric stretched out for easy reinflation. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yeah, HF SSB is old stuff. The USAF stated using it in the late 50s for long distance comms with strategic bombers. from Wikipedia: Genral Curtis LeMay was an active amateur radio operator. He was famous for being on the air on amateur bands while flying on board SAC bombers. LeMay became aware that the new Single Side Band (SSB) technology offered a big advantage over Amplitude Modulation (AM) for SAC aircraft operating long distances from their bases. In conjunction with Art Collins (W0CXX) of Collins Radio, he established SSB as the radio standard for SAC bombers in 1957. Doing it parachute mobile is kinda novel though. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Just operate ham radio gear from under canopy starting at 18K. If conditions are good we might be able to make HF SSB radio contacts thousands of miles away. Of course it isn't a big deal in skydiving, but it is getting some attention in ham radio, a far more docile hobby. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good one Orange. I missed that one and it was low hanging fruit. I have an Oswald bio that rationally explores all sorts of conspiracy theories. The hit Jo refers to is not even mentioned. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I knew three skydivers who died on bikes. There are no AADs or reserves on motorcycles and every car in your vicinity is a potential malfunction. Stick with jumping Jerry and drive a car. You will live longer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What Billy said, yeah! uhhh... looking at the "scandal photo" from prior to her Miss CA days, she was hardly in need of augmentation. Bet she just pocketed the boob job money given to her by the support group. She may not meet the moral standards for the pageant but she exceeds them for any DZ. We have our own brand of family values: flexible, realistic, subject to change without notice. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I just sent in a subscription. SKYDIVING has left a huge hole. I hope Blue Skies can grow to fill it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You didn't miss a thing Orange, as expected . Georger. Hit reset, cool down and rejoin. We need your IQ here. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

aw c'mon, it's only a little over 10 000 posts... Anyone besides me see the analogy between this forum and this organism? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-largest-organism-is-fungus Both are rooted in the Pacific NW and neither can be killed. There are other more subtle similarities that I am sure won't be missed by Orange. Welcome aboard Cabbage! What does your screen name signify? Mine is the model number of a favorite Boeing airliner from long ago. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Come on Georger. How about editing the last word (emphasis added) to be a bit less derogatory? The thesaurus has plenty of less inflammatory choices that will get the same message across. Jo has toned down her attacks on those who disagree with her and we should reciprocate. I disagree with Jo all the time but we have a respectful discourse. Just a suggestion from the Rodney King ("Can't we all just get along?") of the DBC forum. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, What is your take on the found money, particularly the rubber band condition and the intact stack of bills? Could they have washed down from your search area and arrived at Tena Bar in that condition? Have Orange and I caused you to reconsider your retirement from jumping? You are too young to hang up the rig forever. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Are you posting this as a ridiculous theory promoted by someone else or something you believe? I think it is the former but it wasn't crystal clear. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yikes. Every instructor's worst nightmare, the novice gear tamperer. What were you gonna do next, jump with the Capewell covers pre-opened? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks for the very clear explanation. Is this system used now on Airborne belly reserves? If it is, I wonder why the govt surplused a big quantity of unused pilot chutes? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.