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My kid works about 18 hours a day in a research lab that has VERY serious DNA gear. Ckret gave Cooper money to Tom for analysis. How about giving us some Cooper DNA? If there is something useful that can be done with modern gear that the FBI hasn't done I'll have my kid give it a shot. He can sequence, synthesize, analyse, do PCR and a bunch of other stuff I dont really understand. No, he cannot clone Cooper. Ckret, are you listening? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo was saying this to people on PAGE #1 of the thread. Accusing people of being MEAN TO HER. The thread had not even started. So I tried to do an actual count of the times Jo hurled the charge .... I gave up by page 12! Jo uses the charge with anyone that disagrees with her. and has been doing this since the first page of the thread ....... factually. It is a childish tactic well understood by my own kids. When my boy was 3 he had a mind of his own and just hated to follow orders from either parent. He learned the term "harsh" but couldn't pronounce it properly and spoke it as "howsh" Whenever we got into any kind of dispute, which was often at that age, he would look at me with accusing eyes and say: "Daddy, you are being "howsh" to me. I am never "howsh" to you." Good tactic. I am still vulnerable to it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The intent was flattery . What can we do to get Snow back? I have been looking back at old posts and that dude added some serious value. Does Safe still read this stuff? Tell us if you are Safe. Ckret couldnt tell us if he was still reading this and that pisses me off. Sluggo has moved uptown, where he has a posh forum, but he still visits the ghetto now and then to hang with his homies. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

JD=Juris Doctor, the degree you get when you graduate from law school. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Orange, Have you considered adding a JD to your list of graduate degrees? Seriously, you have the right stuff.

Thanks GreenLight. I correspond occasionally with Galen Cook, the attorney investigating Gossett. He is pretty sure that Gossett was Cooper and will soon be publishing a book about his findings. Gossett was definitely qualified to do the jump, was in money trouble and had been assigned to Ft Lewis. Gossett sure looks a LOT like the sketches that the FBI prepared. Cook is a smart guy and not dogmatic. So far, I think his case is entirely circumstantial. Show me a new Cooper $20 bill and I'll be a believer. I am always skeptical about self confessed Coopers. If you were Cooper wouldn't you keep your mouth shut? I mean you got away with it, the FBI has been baffled for decades, why blow it by confessing to ANYONE???? Confession while alive and healthy makes little sense to me. Duane Weber's death bed confession would make more sense, but I don't believe he was really Cooper. I do, however, believe he told his wife that he was Dan Cooper. That event has been a source of endless grief and anguish for her because she took it as the truth then and still believes it to this day. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

First we don't know for sure if the tie partial DNA was actually Cooper's. If it is, then Ckret says it can only eliminate suspects, which is useful, but will not ever give us Cooper with 100% certainty. It is possible that the DNA is not Cooper's. If that is the case, it could be erroneously used to eliminate the real Cooper. So how useful is the DNA considering the uncertainty about its origin? Don't get me wrong. Ckret was a VERY valuable participant here. I am really pissed that some vindictive person here may have been responsible for his departure. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks Georger. I am working on it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Why would Duane give you a death bed confession that meant absolutely nothing to you? Why wouldn't he have said "I am DB Cooper, the man who hijacked that airliner and parachuted out with the ransom money?" 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Weve been over this a thousand times. Ckret said too old for VN. There were lots of "civilian advisors" in Nam and tech reps. They didn't have to be soldier age. Also, since when did what "Ckret said" have more value than an educated guess? I miss him a lot and the forum really I from his absence but he is no closer than we are to knowing who Cooper was, but he may know more than we do about who Cooper wasn't. 377 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Welcome KM, I got hooked on jumping when I was a freshman college student and continued through grad school. Still jumping 40 years later. It really helped in getting through school. Skydiving is a great stress reliever and head cleaner hobby. It really puts stuff in perspective. Keep us posted on your AFF. Lodi rocks, you will have some great times. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good one Jerry! This won't be the first time a "Cooper" has taken the FBI for a ride. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

This transformation of McCoy has always puzzled me. There is a fascinating story in McCoy's journey from citizen soldier to master criminal but we don't really know the details other than the nightmares Jerry just wrote about. I don't doubt the PTSD theory, but he showed few outward signs antisocial behavior prior to the hijack. We had a case locally involving a West Point grad who came back from Iraq with PTSD, got addicted to heroin and stuck up a store. He showed signs of falling apart as soon as he returned according to the news stories. I wonder of Cooper was in SE Asia during the war and was traumatized by what he saw? Wouldn't that be something if both cases had their roots in Viet Nam? It is just speculation though. We (excluding Jo) still have no idea who Cooper was. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, Best wishes to Dylan. Hope he can join you one of these days. Your discovery of mineshafts is interesting. What was mined in this area? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good one Orange! The FBI (and Ckret in particular) is 100% certain that McCoy was not Cooper. Could they have been tricked by lieing alibi witnesses? Probably not, but you gotta wonder sometimes. McCoy's hijack was truly remarkble in its execution. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Another thought. If McCoy had indeed kept his mouth shut and never been caught... I wonder how many of us here would believe he & DB Cooper were in fact the same person... I sure would be thinking that initially. An experienced civilian skydiver like McCoy probably would have picked the Pioneer sport rig which was available on the NORJACK plane. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo writes: J0 Weber is NOT a liar. If it is any comfort to you Jo I actually agree. I think you have biases and blind spots, but those don't make you a liar. I have biases too, we all do. Sleep well. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

QuoteChile police find suitcase made of cocaine Tues., June 2, 2009 SANTIAGO, Chile - Police say two suitcase carried by a woman who was about to fly to from Chile to Spain were virtually made of cocaine. Detective Leandro Morales at the Santiago airport says the drug "was not hidden in the luggage. This time the suitcases were the drug." Morales tells The Associated Press that the suitcases were made of a substance combining cocaine with resin and glass fiber. He said Tuesday a "chemical process" could be used to separate out the drug. The officer says the suitcases were heavier than their contents. The 26-year-old Argentine woman was arrested. Now... that's clever... I don't care who you are! ****************************************** How did the cops figure this out? Was the weight discrepancy something they figured out in a routine inspection? Did the smugglers misspell SAMSONITE? Or were the mules licking their luggage? This gives new meaning to composite construction. What's next? The airplane is the drug? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

No, but he may have had John Wilkes Booth's pistol. The dude was connected. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The "next night" is scenario very intriguing but sure hard to believe. I wonder if it was simply due to a misunderstanding by the author? On the other hand a fast reenactment to calculate a probable landing area would make sense if the FBI thought Cooper may have been alive, injured and immobile. A prompt live arrest gives the FBI FAAAAR better publicity than a stale recovery of a corpse. I don't think Jo is lieing in her comparisons of Duane to McCoy. It is just bias coloring her vision of facts. Jo has told us plenty of things that accentuate Duane's passive sneaky character. She has also been candid about his various health issues but again, bias colors her view and she does not see it as impeding Duane's ability to pull off NORJACK. If she were trying to make Duane into a McCoy type person we'd never have received info from her about poor health, endless arrests, petty crimes etc. I doubt if McCoy stole other people's coats. He was a master criminal. He was a skydiver, military pilot and had ALL the skills needed to pull of a NORJACK copycat crime. Instead of engaging in endless criminal behavior and getting arrested at least 26 times, McCoy lived an upstanding life. He planned and executed just one big heist. Had he kept his mouth shut he might have never been caught. Duane was a petty criminal who got caught literally dozens of times. Duane was no Cooper and he sure as hell was no McCoy. One thing I just don't buy is Duane as the noble felon, shedding tears over McCoys fate and blaming himself. It again is biased thinking. Jo loved Duane and she wants to see redeeming qualities and evidence of a conscience. I can understand that and even sympathize. Georger is right about criminals "mellowing" as they age. I saw that all the time when I represented indigent defendants. You'd see a guy in his late 40s with lots of convictions for violent robberies and other high risk crimes in his teens and twenties and then it shifts into burglaries of unoccupied houses, thefts, no guns, no physical harm to victims. They used to have dreams of becoming drug kingpins or gang leaders, but now they just want to eek out enough to buy their daily heroin fix and that was all they aspired to. Had they been more presentable and literate they'd have been doing real estate fraud and finanical cons. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The whole Duane felt repsonsible for McCoy's death story never sounded logical to me. I could see it if McCoy perished in the DBC copycat jump, but he didnt. The jump went PERFECTLY. He died in a shootout after a prison escape. If he had surrendered, he would still be alive. How the hell is Duane responsible for that? Duane would have to have a very overactive conscience, and we have recidivist criminal evidence that says exactly the opposite. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote: (emphasis added) Is Jo just referring to the bank bag and ticket stubs or something else she has yet to disclose? I don't think Duane had anything to do with NORJACK so I am not expecting Jo to come up with a new batch or recorded NORJACK twenties. Jo makes such a HUGE claim here that I thought I'd try to make her back it up. When she fails perhaps she will be less extravagant in her future claims. It may be a hopeless task but I am trying. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

In the late 60s I was a college student and couldn't afford good commercial gear. I did over a hundred round jumps on a worn out porous surplus C9 canopy. I HAD to do good PLFs every time or I would have broken some bones for sure. I made a lot of PLF landings backing up in the gusty afternoon winds. I think PLFs are important and should be learned but I question the ability of anyone but a gymnast to do a good PLF at high forward speeds, like what you'd get in a downwind landing under a ram air canopy. I guess anything is better than a high speed face plant, but PLFs at high forward speeds are probably beyond the ability of most jumpers in my opinion. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

(emphasis added) Jo, OK. Prove it. Big claim by you, modest request by me. I once owned a canvas bank bag. I once held a ticket receipt for a summer 1971 flight to Seattle. What have you held in your hands that could have only been from Cooper? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

***There is absolutely no reason to allow Sluggo to present "my" case to the thread. I respect his efforts not to discuss his "opinions" of anything he derived from his visit. I disagree Jo. As long as you "manage" what we see and what we don't see, your credibility will continue to suffer. Something "accidently" was made available to him that would result in a lawsuit against me should it be made public. He felt this "thing" was vital...I do not and the FBI investigated this "thing". It is NOT worth spending my life and my money in a court room...and I assure you that is where that "thing" would go. People always hugely overestimate the likelihood of litigation stemming from this kind of stuff. First, TRUTH is a defense to slander, PERIOD. Second, contingency lawyers are greedy and a case without a deep pocket defendant just doesnt interest them at all. VERY few people will fund litigation on their own unless there is a big payoff at the end, which in your case is very unlikely. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.