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Ahhh, OK Sluggo, I jumped the gun. The question remains open. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thank you Sluggo!!! Much appreciated. Looks like there were currency fragments in the Tena Bar sand. Wish we had more info about exactly where they were found (depth, dispersal, distance from Ingram find, etc). 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That's actually a good point Farflung. When analysing situations always consider the self interests of particpants. Most will act on them. If those alleged DBC currency shards werent collected and marketed they probably didnt exist. I wish I had a Cooper twenty. Jo cant sell me one. Neither can Galen. Jerry thinks he might find a cache someday, but his time would be more profitably spent in his gold mine. Say what you want about Jerry, but the guy has a gold mine, a military pension and a young wife. Not a bad situation. If I had a productive gold mine I wouldnt care about being banned from taverns. I could just buy the establishment if I wanted to drink there. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Robert writes: I don't agree Robert. I want the case solved. So does everyone else here. This forum is fun but having the case solved would be immensely satisfying. Even Jo wants the case solved. She wants Duane proven to be Cooper but she could deal with a different outcome and accept it if the proof were solid. In an effort to rise from the valley of sniping and ascend to the plateau of research, can anyone point to s single written record that substantiates the Fazio's claim that a debris field of currency shards was found at Tena Bar? If something this significant were found wouldn't it likely be in FBI and expert reports? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Just how did these witnesses in 71 conclude that the person they saw was Cooper? I dont imagine the person was wearing a chute and tossing twenties. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

forgive us if we don't hold our breath. No offence to anyone, but farflung's posts are about the only thing worth reading here these days... despite 377's valiant efforts to get things back on track. Me, I'm just too busy right now to be able to really spend any time searching for stuff ... PS: I really thought Treat Williams was pin-up material as Berger, but once he cut that shining streaming gleaming [flaxen] waxen hair I lost interest. I'm pretty sure I saw the DB Cooper movie when it came out though So if a Cooper movie were made today, who would you cast as DBC? George Clooney? Kevin Spacey? Real age, height and weight is not a factor with all they can do with computer graphics and makeup. Charley Sheen wants the part but his demands for on-set hookers and drugs is way over the normal Holllywood allotment and the studio is balking. Robert Downey Jr. said he'd do it for no hookers and half the drugs. Farflung is angling for a bit part as a priest who does long term "therapy" for a traumatized Tina. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Looks too much like Treat Williams. I want one that looks like Cooper, or Duane. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote Jo, It stretches credibility that a supposed witness to Cooper being on the ground alive right afer the jump would be afraid to come forward in 2011 because the govt might take his land. The govt can seize land but unless it's part of a forfeiture in connection with a criminal conviction, they have to go through condemnation proceedings and pay compensation to the owner. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote So Sluggo travels all the way to FLA to meet with you. You allegedly have photos of Duane which more closely resemble the FBI Cooper sketch than any you have published to date. You don't show them to Sluggo because that wasn't his "focus"? What???? That sounds pretty flakey to me. His focus was Norjack. Sluggo, chime in here. Tell us something about what your focus was and whether Jo's explanation about why you were not shown the photos makes sense. Post the photos here Jo. Don't make this another tease. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Given all the trouble Sluggo went to with you, why didn't you show him all relevant Duane photos? You seem to be saying you held the best ones back. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Lodestar. The prettiest mod was the Learstar, smoothed out everything. Cleaned up the nacelles and even got rid of the draggy Fowler flap bumps. Check out Mike Zoeller's website. Look at the bottom and click away. He documents every Lodestar mod ever made. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.zoeller/ I have some right seat time in a stock Lodestar, a Learstar MK1 and a Howard 250 Tri Gear Lodestar. The tail draggers are a real handful in a gusty crosswind. I let the guy to the left of me do the frantic rudder and yoke dance. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Welcome back Robert. Please check in from time to time. You don't have to go cold turkey, just control the dose. I can't get your link to work. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo wrote about Jerry: I bet in the morning when you have calmed down a bit you will admit that you've once again made a serious overstatement. Jerry isn't the reason this case hasn't been solved years ago. I know you believe that Jerry deliberately mislead you about local geography. Even if he did, so what? Look at a map. Look at an aerial or sat photo. Jerry doesn't define the universe. If Jerry told me that the sun rises in the west shame on me if I remain deceived for more than 24 hours. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Farflung wrote: Barb Dayton doesn't count? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, I did some simple searching and reading on diatoms. I don't think the holes in the bill stacks were made by diatoms. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

At this point I'll take diatoms, borers, anything but camera equipped skunks. The money is indisputably Cooper's loot. We don't have much else that is free from dispute. The tie is a maybe, but the FBI has reason to think it's Cooper's for sure. They are also confident that the tie DNA is Cooper's. Lets focus on extracting every scintella of evidence from ithe money's condition, location, chemistry etc. If there was a debris field of money particles on Tena Bar, where are some samples or photos or mention of it in reports? It is hard to believe that something that relevant would be preserved only in the unwritten memories of the Fazios and a few others. Seems like the bickering has settled down and we can start doing some research again. That suits me fine. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Anyone ever figure out what bored the holes in the Tena Bar bills? Aquatic or land animal? I guess it could be caused by something else but to me the appearance says worm or some other animal. Can any conclusions be drawn from the density and depth of the holes? Seems that if something eats money eventually the bills would become disintegrated if left in the midst of these creatures. The fact that only a small portion was eaten says something about the time spent amidst the borers. Forget diatoms for a moment. Focus on borers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

My first rig cost $50, including an altimeter and a jumpsuit. I bought it in 1968 from a returning Navy guy who jumped in Iwakuni Japan. He told me he got most of the gear free friom the base rigger, When it came time to destroy a timed out but airworthy canopy somehow it ended up with the skydiving club. The guy wanted $100 for everything, which was more than I had, so I was just going to pay $50 for the main and keep renting reserves. He took pity on me and said "hell, you can have it all for $50, just promise me I can borrow it if I decide to make some jumps again." Done deal. The gear was a surplus harness and extended container, TIRED POROUS but very pretty orange and white candy striped C9 with a T mod, and a Navy 26 Conical belly reserve. The landings were really brutal on my main but I liked its looks. I was always a generation behind in gear because I was a starving college student. When everyone went to PCs I stopped renting and bought "worthless" cheapo gear. When everyone went to squares I bough a "worthless PC" in a piggyback rig. Now after 42 years of jumping I can afford decent new gear. Thank God for soft landing ram airs and non Capewell cutaway gear. Life is good. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sorry about your accident. Get healed soon! I've always worried about gopher and ground squirrel holes. I wonder if there is any way to minimize the risk of a foot snag when landing.? Sometimes you can't see them at all if there is some grass growing. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snowmman did a lot of research about the insurance litigation that NWA got into over Norjack losses. As I recall it was centered on the ransom money. I wonder if NWA also claimed the crew overhead, fuel and wear and tear on the Cooper commanded flight segment? The plane sustained some damage on landing when the extended stairs struck the runway. I think Robert has the more acurate number on 727 fuel economy, but my rough cut wasn't too far off. I am an engineer, Robert is probably trained in real science. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Local legend says that there was a lot more than booze available on the Palo Alto when it was anchored outside the 3 mile limit, but I don't think any of the professionals met your specs. Forget back course approaches on steam gauges. Here is what happened to a Twin Beech jumpship flying skydivers in CAVU weather to an accuracy contest at a whorehouse. First prize was a free session with the lady of the winners choice. The legend says the pilot got distracted by one of the "workers" showing her assets on a low pass. I know of no convents with adequate runways Farflung, so forget about it. What if Cooper actually exited far from the Washougal and landed at one of the NV brothels with $200,000 in cash. As long as he still had money to spend they'd never turn him in. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Roughly speaking, 0.25 lbs/hp/hr is considered to be pretty good, and 100,000 hp is a low-side estimate of an average container ship's horsepower. This then works out to 25,000 pounds of fuel per hour. Fuel (heated bunker C or marine diesel) weighs about 7 or 8 lbs/gallon (lets assume 7) which gets us about 3600 gallons per burned per hour. A common cruise speed is 25 knots or 28.75mph. To make the math easier, let's call it 30mph. What this means is that for a container ship to travel 30 miles, it'll burn through 3600 gallons, which is the same as burning 120 gallons to go one mile . There are 5280 feet in a mile, so if 120 gallons is good for 5280 feet, then one gallon is burned every 44 feet!. Above from Wiki. A 727-100 burns about 1500 gal per hour cruising fast at high altitude. Specific fuel burn goes up at low altitudes where the engines are not as efficient, but they fly at lower power settings with flaps down etc. When Cooper jumped my very rough estimate is that they were getting about 800 ft per gallon of fuel. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Piad $5 and $10 in the 60s and early 70s, then $20. Lately I've been paying $40-$60. I tip the $40 guy generously. What astounds me is how cheap jumps are today. Lodi still has $15 jumps and the highest around my area is $22. Man do we squeeze the DZOs hard. I sometimes feel guilty riding in their million dollar turbine jumpships that drink $5 a gallon fuel and have huge insurance premiums and maintenance costs. In a just world we'd pay a lot more. Thank God for tandems. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That wasn't the problem Farflung. Drag is far more important in ship performance than weight. If weight were a big factor those huge container ships would have to be nuclear powered to do 23 knots but they do OK with big diesels of relatively low horsepower (100,000 hp typical). A Boeing 747 has about 500,000 hp. A friend of mine is an officer on a medium sized container ship and he says he calculates that they burn about 60 gallons per mile. The Palo Alto (which I used to fish off of when I was a kid, before they blocked access) displaced about 6000 tons and did about as well as any other ship of similar size with a T3 steam engine. That engine only developed 375 hp at full boiler pressure (nhp). It obviously wouldn't win any races. In the 60s and 70s a lot of so called ferro-cement fishing commercial boats were built. They performed OK and were cheap to build, but eventually water would penetrate the cement and the encased steel rebar and wire mesh would start to rust. Cracks ensued. They could be patched, but what really killed the ferro-cement boat craze was a university engineering study that showed that the hull strength was directly proportional to the amount of steel used in rebar and mesh, hence the strongest ferro-cement boat would have 100% steel and no cement, so back to welded steel hulls. There is a ferro-cement commercial fishing boat at Princeton harbor at Half Moon Bay, called the EOLITH. It's still shipshape and active. If you want to see a real radical ship building idea check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk I am awaiting details of Jerry's flow tests. If stuff launched in the Washougal ended up at Tena Bar that is significant. I know flow, storms, tides etc are big complicating factors in trying to model how the currency stacks might have travelled over that path, but still it is a big deal if Jerry has demonstrated at least a possibility that the Tena Bar bills orginated in the Washougal. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.