kbordson

So one of the threads in SC and studying about primary and preventive care has got me to wondering.... How many people really try to help the doctors keep them healthy? Some clues on giving a "correct" answer: Lifestyle options: Smoke? Alcohol? Drugs? (not just narcotics... but also over the counter meds like tylenol or ibuprofen) Obsity? (BMI under 25?) Diet? (green veggies and lower portion of carbs/fat or Micky D's) Vitamins? Exercise? (3-5x/wk) Prevention of infections/injury (ie.... using protection to prevent STD or helmets on motorcycles or living in a safe padded room) Preventive care measures: Appropriate vaccinations? Prevention or managment of cardiovascular risks Blood pressure and/or cholesterol screening? Appropriate cancer screening: Females - recent pap? If over 40, recent Mammogram? Males - prostate screening? All - if over 50, colonscopy? Personally, I could do a bit better, but I am trying.

It's amazing how some people just can't seem to agree to disagree. Some seem to think that life is about making other people echo your beliefs or mocking and belittling those that are different. Guess what? People are different. You would think that on a skydiving website that people would be able to understand that concept.

So.... curious question here And since the pm was in reply to this thread, I thought I would pose the question here (especially since that person isn't accepting pm's ... he just sends them) Is a personal attack in a cowardly pm still a personal attack?

The only thing you forgot to throw in was studying....

1. Time can run backwards. (but understanding the speaking is diffiuclt) 2. To fly you just need to throw yourself at the Earth and miss. 3. I will find a suit that doesn't mock me. 4. People will all get along. 5. We will be smarter than those nasty bacteria/ viruses. 6. Two objects can occupy the same space.

I was on call last night. Not much sleep and the sleep that I did get, no REM Mid-afternoon Nap Out on the deck. Cuddled up in the sun. Sleep can be so wonderful!

Uh this whole thread and the premise and link it is based on is Just more monkey poo flinigin.. and the OP was tossin it at all of us. Honestly. Do you read how that sounds? You can disagree with Mike. But your disrespect that you show to him as a person is sad.

I see this entire lawsuit as an example of what is wrong with the legal system.

Promote is note the same as "provide".... edit to correct my error... Sorry, Max.... but you still have an error

Even if you're right (and though I don't think you are, I understand why you fear it will be), I submit to you that doing things like squandering a surplus and running up a trillion dollar deficit feeding the military-industrial complex's slop troughs so that G.W. Bush can exorcise the demons of his Oedipus complex in Iraq is hardly a worthwhile expense of blood and treasure, either. I'd rather spend a buck supporting a crack baby than causing the needless death of an 18 year old hero. Personally... I'd rather the mother NOT do crack and endanger her and the child by using in pregnancy.

Your response did not deal with my complaints. You redirected it and then with that focus taken off the "redistribution" context, you attacked my concerns and belittled my annoyance. Theft of what is mine is still theft. I would rather GIVE willingly than to have it stolen. We have differences of opinions, you and I.

Why don't you just come right out and say that you don't like taxes, because your description applies to ALL taxes. I don't mind paying MY SHARE to the community. I give to support what I use and expect others to do the same. I carry my weight and I would guess the weight of others that don't want to. Yes, I did say don't "want" to. I have no problem with welfare plans that help those that need the support in times of crises (I've seen and helped MANY of these). I agree with government support for those that HONESTLY can't. It's the "don't want to" that annoy me. How do we differentiate between them? Sometimes it's hard, but I think when you come into the OB/Gyn office pregnant and on Medicaid, then play with your iPhone while the doc is trying to do some teaching... SOMETHING IS WRONG. What % of your taxes goes to those who choose not to work? Compare with the % that goes to running a war based on false pretenses, running a DoD that outspends the rest of the world's defense spending combined, supporting the country's infrastructure that enables us to be productive, running services like Air Traffic Control, CDC, NSF, the National Labs, the DoE, supporting those unable to support themselves due to health or age issues....... OK. Maybe I'm not as bright as some, but I don't see a relavant response to my comment in your reply. I said I'm ok with paying for my part of the community. You replied with a random side note on government expenses. Maybe the highlights in YOUR statements above will give you a hint. What % of your taxes go to the people that "annoy" you? I can play with the markup's too. The portion of my taxes that "annoy" me are the parts that redistribute my "wealth" to give to those that take it without the work. Whether that number is 10% or 90%, it is still theft. Shall we "redistribute" all that is gained through effort? Cuz it must be unfair that I have gained knowledge that others haven't studied. So let everyone be called "Doctor"? Or maybe allow anyone to be called "plumber"? You seem to argue against the "Plumber" part. So... it's incorrect for him to use that gain, but it would be ok for him to take the money of a plumber?

PROMOTE does not mean provide

HH Have a wonderful day!! May this coming year bring you some release from us crazy (although highly entertaining) types. May you have wonderful adventures with those dear to you. May you smile and be happy.

I submit a lot more than 2% of small-businesses have net profits of $250k or more with owners salaried at no more than $80k/year or less. Either that, or I just happen to know all 2%. I agree.

My belief that it wont work has to do with my DIRECT experience with a socialized version of health care (military and tricare) compared to a DIRECT experience with privatized health care. I personally felt too much ... restriction in the military. The government mandating which procedure and limiting care. I DIRECTLY saw that. That was one of the reasons that I did NOT take a military scholarship for medical school. Also... when there is no incentive NOT to abuse the system, people will abuse it. While I was in the military, there was an Airman that was recording his daughter with a video camera. He BUMPED his head with the camcorder. Presented to the ER demanding a CT to make sure that he was fine. Just tonight, while on call, I got two phone calls. One at 1:30am - "I had surgery at this other hospital with this completely different doctor, but I think that I want to follow up with you." Why would you call at 1:30 in the morning to wake someone that didn't even do the surgery? A different call at 3:30am - "I have cramps" (No... I do not call in narcotics at 3:30am for cramps) Is it that I'm just exposed to those "few bad apples" or is it a problem with the CULTURE of the American population that is becoming to expect to be given "happiness". When it's "free" - do you really value it? The civilian side of the house is just as broken, I will grant that. Insurance is complex and challenging. Sometime it seems that you have to fight to make the insurance companies pay their due. And many people don't feel like they have affordable access. But trading one broken system for a different broken one? I would rather transition to a system that takes care of people in a fair and balanced way without restriction for proper procedures or limitations based on "cost control." But you're right, that does take money. Money from where? The military? Cut their pay or cut the people? If you cut the pay, how much do you think the soldiers should be making? If you cut the people, what will they do for jobs? Everybody always gets all up in arms when a big factory closes because of the poor Union Joe that will lose his job, but how many really understand that GI Joe is now laid off when the military is significantly downsized? There was a GREAT problem with unemployment after the wars when American turned down it's war machine. That GREATLY upset the economy. Cut supplies? You think that will save? I doubt that the big ticket items with connections to the politicians will truly feel a pinch. Instead you will see the man on the front trying to do more with less. John Q Public? More taxes? Now... we're back to the original point of this thread because you can bet your ass that no one wants their taxes going up for it.... so lets tax the "rich." They have excess lying about anyway, just take it from them. How about taking it from the legal system? Changing the litigious climate? Making it so that doctors don't have to decide between a million dollar malpractice coverage or not offering services. And yes... the threat of lawsuit, even if everything is done properly, does drive many doctors out - The Impact of Obstetrical Liability on Access to Perinatal Care in the Rural United States Or... the best idea? CUT GOVERNMENT. Cut Congress. Current salary of US senator - $165k, plus any benefits that are given for looking after "this" project or making sure that "that" doesn't get passed. And how many aides? How much is all that red tape that is used to ensure that nothing ever really gets accomplished? This thread wasn't initially about Health Care, but even with discussing Health Care... it all comes down to Who's gonna pay?

You too, huh?

Was he wrong to do that in the White House? Yes. Was he wrong to lie about it under oath? Yes. But... now? I wouldn't judge him too harshly. I still believe that his wife is a lesbian. There's nothing wrong with that desire.... but to remain married for political reasons. It traps both of them in an unhappy rel'nship. I hope he finds happiness that everyone truly deserves.

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Why don't you just come right out and say that you don't like taxes, because your description applies to ALL taxes. I don't mind paying MY SHARE to the community. I give to support what I use and expect others to do the same. I carry my weight and I would guess the weight of others that don't want to. Yes, I did say don't "want" to. I have no problem with welfare plans that help those that need the support in times of crises (I've seen and helped MANY of these). I agree with government support for those that HONESTLY can't. It's the "don't want to" that annoy me. How do we differentiate between them? Sometimes it's hard, but I think when you come into the OB/Gyn office pregnant and on Medicaid, then play with your iPhone while the doc is trying to do some teaching... SOMETHING IS WRONG. What % of your taxes goes to those who choose not to work? Compare with the % that goes to running a war based on false pretenses, running a DoD that outspends the rest of the world's defense spending combined, supporting the country's infrastructure that enables us to be productive, running services like Air Traffic Control, CDC, NSF, the National Labs, the DoE, supporting those unable to support themselves due to health or age issues....... OK. Maybe I'm not as bright as some, but I don't see a relavant response to my comment in your reply. I said I'm ok with paying for my part of the community. You replied with a random side note on government expenses.

Rocky Roccocos!!

Why don't you just come right out and say that you don't like taxes, because your description applies to ALL taxes. I don't mind paying MY SHARE to the community. I give to support what I use and expect others to do the same. I carry my weight and I would guess the weight of others that don't want to. Yes, I did say don't "want" to. I have no problem with welfare plans that help those that need the support in times of crises (I've seen and helped MANY of these). I agree with government support for those that HONESTLY can't. It's the "don't want to" that annoy me. How do we differentiate between them? Sometimes it's hard, but I think when you come into the OB/Gyn office pregnant and on Medicaid, then play with your iPhone while the doc is trying to do some teaching... SOMETHING IS WRONG.

You're using labels like this not to rebut the merits of a perspective with which you disagree, but to demonize the people with whom you disagree. I suggest that kind of stridency is divisive. In other threads, you've made quite clear your disdain for people who use rhetoric that you find to be imperious, or dismissive of other people. Shouldn't that standard be applied evenly? How would you like it if someone referred to fiscal or social conservatives as "the let them eat cake crowd?" I don't understand why you took such a personal insult to my issue with those that just want to take my money without effort on their part. Unless you feel that you are part of that problem, the comment was not meant directly for you. I have made it know that people "be nice" and debate with more logic and fact than emotion or rhetoric. But I do not feel that I have crossed that line. I stated my opinion that MY ARGUMENT is about personal responsibility or lack thereof.

You've obviously missed the past arguments on this. Just because Canada provides health care does not mean it's worth a damn. I've never been there or done research but Canadians on this board have said the system is broken. You're buying into the rainbows and unicorns rhetoric. If nobody is paying out of pocket, then all docs are paid by the government. Do they all get paid equally? Shitty doctors paid the same as brilliant docs? What incentive do they have to be good docs? Who gets what doctor? Can we go whenever we want? What about the drugs they prescribe? Are those free too? It's easy to say everyone should have health care cause other countries do it. If you have a realistic proposal as to how it would work then please share. The "it's not fair" and "I should get 'x' too" crowd will never understand that personal responsibility is the basic argument that those arguing against these "x"s have. Health care IS out there. You can bitch and moan all you want about how half of America or what ever ignorant statistics you want to throw out... but it IS out there. You might have to look at your budget. If you make above a certain amount - yes, you have to be willing to cut the cable tv and some of the play money. If you make BELOW a certain amount you have to go and fill out some forms. Medicaid is out there. I am saddened by the ladies that come in after 28weeks on medicaid because they just didn't go to the case worker for the last SEVEN months. And it's someone elses fault. almost always. If you're not happy where you are, do something to change it. And that does NOT include stealing from those that have what you think you need. And yes, I do think that unfair tax distribution is stealing. Why should someone that makes 500k pay 40% in taxes (200,000 to uncle sam), while someone making 50k only pays 15% (7,500 to uncle.) Talk about UNFAIR! OK... so you argue that the one making the half mil has the money so is better able to provide for the less fortunate. But... lets say that IF that person made 450k and only paid 35% (157,000).... If this person worked harder and made an extra bonus of 50k.... then bump... that all goes to the government. Where is the incentive to work harder? And... Kallend, I'm not bitter. I'm actually quite giving. I will GIVE. I just don't want it stolen and taken. I want to decide where to give my charity - personally I prefer the Shriners Hospitals and St. Judes. I don't want it redistributed among the politicians. Basically I see this "wealth redistribution" as a cop out from personal responsibility and integrity. You no longer have to work for your future... just take from others that did.

Is it a bad thing to admit that I have made a single one plural? (well... we had to. It was part of the anatomy dissection. And none of the guys would)