GQ_jumper

And if the husbands happy you're happy right?!?! I've seen Cutler play and that guy is AWESOME!! History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Apparently someone inside the Bronco's leaked the word to the press that Plummer will be on the sideline next week and Cutler will be taking the snaps. TOOK 'EM LONG ENOUGH Plummer has tons of talent but he blows it when the pressure builds, it's time for a change. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I would flatten the muthafuckas that were trying to shoot at me. I see guns... in a situation like that I am NOT waiting around..... Quote how about you avoid the whole situation by not walking out of a bar and tryign to start a fight with someone and then promptly following it up with an attempt on their life by runnng them over? But I guess someone trying to runover another person just because they did't know whether or not it was an officer is acceptable to you. Someone attacking me with a vehicle is an attempt on my life and will be treated as a lethal threat. These drunk assholes went too far and the police acted accordingly, IMO, I know to the left wing community a police officer defending themselves against a drunk assailant is going to far but who the fuck are you to tell someone that they can't defend their own god damn life. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

This is flat out murder. Quote from what I see in this story it is very inconclusive, the officers may very well have murdered these men, but at the same they may have had good reason to open fire. How about we afford the officers the same presumption of innocence that everyone else in this country gets until an investigation is completed. Don't forget the person who heard it happen said there were a few shots, and then a bunch more, who's to say the first few weren't at the police and the rest were them police returning fire. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Did it look anything like this? Quote that's funny as hell i'll have to see if i can dig it up but one of my teammates has a video of our medic firing a SMAW-D(also recoilless) and the thing flew FORWARD out of his hands, it was good for a laugh History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I just looked over a number of articles related to the event and there are still quite a few things that need to be addressed before we can really come to any conclusions, but for the most part I don't see any reason for the officers to be punished. It was a tragic set of circumstances but they acted in a manner fitting to the situation that presented itself. As for people calling them completely inept, the warrant was served during hours of darkness, so when the shots were fired they had no idea who it was, someone shot and they reacted accordingly. The warrant was a "no-knock" warrant, but they did announce themselves and all had vests marked "Police", warrants like this can very well be justified, there are times when announcing yourself before entering will only put you in an excessive amount of danger and allow the suspect the opportunity to escape or better prepare themselves to put up a fight. Ont thing that hasn't been answered is whether this is positively the right house, which all the officers involved say it is. and if nothing was goign on there than why were they able to buy drugs from someone on the scene, and why did they find drugs(supposedly, they haven't finished being tested yet) in the house after the shooting? It sucks this woman was killed but everyone should quit jumping on the police immedeatly looking for someone to hang, everybody is screaming about the presumption of innocence, well that right extends to the police officers as well, so how about we wait until something conclusive comes out to place blame, remember these men have to live with this on their concious, even though they acted in self defense. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Fixed it for ya.Quote I agree with you completely on that part, it's just the way I worded it but regardless of whether the cops knew who was shooting at them or not, it is still someone shooting at them. I'll have to look at the story a bit closer but was there a chance that they may have gone in when it was dark and the lights may have been out? History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Your argument would entitle any home invader to shoot a householder defending her home, and claim "self defence". Your recent post in Bonfire, http://www.dropzone.com/...post=2544296#2544296 and even your sig line, shows you to be someone who readily resorts to violent solutions to problems. Quote Remember what I said to you once about twisting things people say to perpetuate an argument, perfect example right here. Go back to my post in the bonfire and read my reply to you, I didn't start a fight I asked someone to leave who had acted inappropriately towards a lady I am friends with, I did it in a non-threatening manner and extremely politely, a fight broke out and I was so close to the guy that I was committed so I took action to protect myself and my friends. I avoid fights at all costs, I stepped in because I am the least agressive of the people I was there with and wanted to avoid that situation. My argument about a home invader acting in self defense, Police announcing themselves and a home invader breaking in are two different things. And even if they are plain clothes Officers I guarantee they had some sort of identifying feature, whether it be putting on windbreakers as they went in or having exposed badges. And my sig line, of all the things to twist, soldiers stand ready to protect the country, Americans can go to bed knowing that they are safe from foreign invaders within their borders because of these soldiers, how does that make me out to be a violent person. How about you take the time to get to know me before jumping to that conclusion. You and I have even had some exchanges via PM which were very friendly on both our sides and you stil tag me as being a violent hot head. This is truly pathetic, I though you were a bigger man than that Prof. Kallend. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I feel the same way about criminals shooting police officers. Once a cop pulls a gun, any shooting on the part of the criminal should be considered self-defense. Quote How can you possibly justify that? Police Officers are charged with upholding the law, if they approach a criminal and feel that they are threatened pulling a gun is a good way to alleviate a criminals agressive behavior. A criminal is far less likely to get agressive with a weapon aimed at them IMO. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Maybe you need a change of lifestyle. Quote Apart from going to a bar there was nothing I really did to bring any of that on myself, one of the girls I used to work at a dance club with was in town so all of us that used to work there got together to have a few and get caught up, running into the ex, well it's colorado springs, there aren't a whole lot of choices when it comes to night life. And the fight, this guy slapped one of my friends on the ass and her date asked him to leave, I grabbed all the girls and put them behind me then approached the guy to ask him to leave and he got agressive, all I did was react to his attack, I was trying to remedy the situation, he had already started some trouble elsewhere. I grabbed him took his back put him in a choke and offered him the chance to get up and walk away but he chose to keep fighting until security got there to pull him up and throw him out. I love to fight and train with my buddies but as for starting fights in bars, never, I avoid them at all costs, there are plenty of people out there who are far better than me and what worse time to confront them than when there is alcohol involved. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Cops who are wired up on a hair trigger to kill anything that even APPEARS to be a threat to them is not what this country is supposed to be about. Quote Someone shooting at you isn't someone who APPEARS to be a threat, they have proven themselves to be a threat to you and your teammates lives and their fate is their own fault. I don't disagree that it sucks that the cops kicked down the door in the first place, but do we even know if these were the officers who conducted the investigation from beginning to end? Maybe they were just tasked with serving a warrant and in that case had no idea what they were going into. And even if the men knew the old lady was there, from what I understand they had reason to believe there was someone or something happening in there that was a little more dangerous than an elderly woman. And let us not forget that a little old lady opened fire first. I have personally kicked in a few doors with innocent people on the other side, sometimes you are led to the wrong place, I have never shot anybody in any of these houses but no matter how innocent these people were if any of them had ever taken a shot at me their innocence would have gone out the window. It doesn't matter if you are doing it in self-defense once you take that shot the other person now has the same right to self-defense as you do and it comes down to who's the better shot. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Scope bite. Quote Come on, your not supposed to actually touch the scope with your eye before you shoot History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I didn't do anymore than needed, just an expression how did that one happen? History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Between running into the woman who kicked me to the curb a couple days ago for no good reason at all(at every club I went to), gettin in a fight with a guy trying to pick on my friend who wouldn't hurt a fly if his life depended on it, getting his blood all over one of my favorite shirts, and running from the cops because some drunk asshole decided to be a badass and I put him out of his misery, I'd say I have officially had the worst night ever History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I don't think the age of the shooter is pertinent when someone is shooting at you. Quote Exactly, if someone is shooting at an officer it doesn't matter their age. and everyone knocking the cops for entering the house in the first place, well the fact of the matter is that mistakes happen but no one has any reason to fire on cops entering their house. I'll be the first one to pull the trigger on someone kicking down my door, but if I have a reason to believe its the Police they'll come into my house to find me on the groud with my hands stretched out so that there is no mix up. What were they supposed to do, say "ohits just a little old lady, she can shoot at us all she wants." History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

LMAO - What's even funnier is watching someone do that and thinking, "WTF?!?!?!?, that's gonna hurt." Quote Yeah, but what was more comical was when I popped the fuze on a breaching charge and when I turned to move back tripped on a waist high pile of gravel and fell on my face straight into it right next to the charge! That was karma for laughing at my Junior Bravo on his first hit when he plowed himself into the street running up on a mosque funny thing is of all the stuff I remember from that trip it's all the comical things that stick out History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Is it wrong to covet thy neighbor's bike? Should I spend some money this holiday season on myself? Quote Or you could not be greedy and spend the money on someone else, perhaps your fravorite 4way buddy History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I want to go so bad but don't have a way of getting down there, anyone driving that may be able to meet up somewhere and split gas?? History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

rather you spend your time hoping I DON'T fail MY final. Quote just remember the answer is "C" History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Not that I was looking for myself mind you, but I do have a few single cute friends. *** Well what are ya waiting for, hook a brotha up I'm newly single and have nothing but free time! Next time come over and say hi. And cora, if you tackled me that would mean you'd probably end up on top of me, and I'd never say know to that miss ya sweetie History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Just accept that you'll never be able to hear your SO in a conversation, unless you date a man with a deep voice, you go first and tell me how it works out for ya History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

XM is what I've had for a year now and I'm pretty happy with it History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

think I've seen you at the tunnel and you are way too young to have such hearing loss! Quote Checkin me out at the tunnel huh how did you know it was the real GQ_jumper, I have a lot of imitators Actually as for why my hearing is shot, I've had a lot of things go boom really close to me and that usually doesn't go over too well. I think the most classic one was me tossing a grenade in a building and chasing it in before it went off, I must b part golden retriever cause I tossed it in and chased it like it was a tennis ball Oh well, like I said, next time I have a girlf friend I'll have a reason for not listening History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

That's it, it's final, I'm legally deaf!!! I've lost over half my hearing in both ears. Just updated my hearing test today and the lady took one look at it and asked what the hell I did to myself. So now I have an excuse for ignoring my girlfriend(if I had one) History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Check the Airspeed articles on here and look for Dan B.C.'s article on visualization. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower