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I was just thinking the same thing... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

From Skydiver Magazine... "Leo Valetin was experimenting in the late 40's with winged flight, had several injuries & kept coming back with a new plan. He was getting really close to planning how to land it (and live). His last configuration looked like he had it. So he exited a large door from a D-18 type aircraft. This attempt was his last." http://www.airtrash.com/blast/leowingdeath.jpg Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

http://lh5.ggpht.com/abramsv/SC_rWAM9zkI/AAAAAAAAREk/G9CpUJ39HSQ/s640/dhit200.jpg The above photo of the Russian one looks like a much better design than the one Leo built below. http://www.airtrash.com/blast/leowing.bmp Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Here it is... N157U Burns to the ground... Got this from the "Frisby Collection". I was unable to copy the sound but it is captioned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqkR8dATWs Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Probably the MOST important thing to know in an emergency. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

My first jumps were on a Hanbury rig at EPC... Here are a few photos of some old signs that I have. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

I still wear a frap hat... My first kiss pass came from the ugliest skydiver in history... So ugly in fact that his nic name is none other than Grouper.... Geeesh. As if the kiss pass wasn't bad enough, it was followed by my first malfunction and this was on my 37th jump. The beer was flowing that day I can tell you.... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

We covered emergency exits during Safety Day. I would say about 9 people showed up out of probably 200 that were present. So much for safety day. If there is a problem that is bad enough for the pilot to tell you to EXIT EXIT EXIT, you should be doing a hop and pop because you won't have time to see where you are other than altitude. And as someone else pointed out, the airplane has clearer airspace below the canopies. Everyone should be on the same page for emergency procedures. I am really surprised that we are not. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

"Many of them have no idea where they are." Thankyou... Again I have had a few close calls with aircraft in my career. It's not a pretty sight and usually there is nothing you can do about the situation. All this talk about ATCs is a crock. One of my best friends was killed in a pattern over a busy airport. The guy who hit him was on his cell phone not paying attention at the time. Everyone involved in the mid air died and almost killed people on the ground. So much for ATCs. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

"your not flat tracking unless you can see your own feet!" I strongly disagree. Looking at your feet will put you more head down and you will not travel as far. Looking at the horizon will get you farther than looking down. You should only look down briefly to make sure no one is under you and to keep track of altitude. But you should keep your head up through most of the track if you wish to go far. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

"The communication log shows the aircrew telling ops that Cooper was in the lav and would be there a while. How would they know he would be there a while? I think you have two choices, Cooper must have given someone that info or the aircrew locked him in the lav and were joking about it." Is it possible to lock the lavs from the outside? And if not or if they didn't do that, has there been any speculation to what he might have been doing in there that would help his plan? I mean, what would you want to do in a plan like this that you would have to hide from the crew in order for the plan to work? What was he doing in there? Was anything tampered with in there? I imagine they checked that lavatory out pretty good didn't they? What did they find? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Here is an older photo I found of Jackie... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Wow.... going after one of your own eh? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

LE usually refers to Law Enforcement. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Fred Basil is the one following up on this. The coroner is communicating with him so we will get the right info. However Fred is in England right now and will be back shortly. Once back there should be more news... I'll let you know here and will follow up on it on the AT page as well. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

"I thought all old riggers had boxes of this stuff... " I have about 300 different kinds of rip cords and handles and puds and crap all wrapped up in coils and also some brand new never used cable in coils. I wish someone would come get it all. It is part of Al Frisby's collection of old crap. Enough to fill a normal size cooler. That's what it is all in. Other stuff here to man and I have to dispose of it all. ??? HELP... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Clouds in themselves do not make skydiving unsafe. Skydiving makes skydiving unsafe. Clouds make it more unsafe because you are now blind and can't tell if there are aircraft that will be in your path. Hitting a plane at 110 mph or better is going to hurt a lot more than rain. Not all aircraft are where they are supposed to be at all times and they are always moving. Visual flight rules apply here and there are also restrictions on the pilot. He could lose his license, you could lose your life. Others could lose their lives as well. I don't think it's worth taking the chance. You are just making an already dangerous situation even more dangerous by adding an unknown factor into the equasion. It doesn't matter if you're an experienced jumper or not. A guy with 6000 jumps will splatter through a wing as easily as a guy with 100 jumps. Only difference is that the more experienced guy will look more foolish because of his experience level. How many people reading this post has had a near miss with an aircraft? I have had 3. All in clear air. So imagine what could happen with clouds. Skydiving is NOT safe. Never was. Never will be. Says so on the inside of your container. It is up to the skydiver to do everything he or she can to eliminate as many possibilities as he or she can of getting killed while doing it. We use parachutes to reduce the possibilities of hitting the ground but they won't stop you from going through an aircraft. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Here's a video of two PC jumpers doing a gutter gear jump at Elsinore in the 90s. Lyle Cameron Jr and Rick Feese were the culprits. Slammer and I joined in to watch the deployments. Note** Rick's canopy was picked up at a yard sale for $25. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92JYInAqN7s Hope this isn't a repost. I'll check. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Do BASE jumpers have a plan B? Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

"He could have been a smuggler that lost a load and was in desperate need of funds for health reasons. His creditors may have planted him anyways for bringing marked cash for payment. This would motivate silence in the matter too. " So far, this scenerio impresses me the most. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

So on a PC in a deployment bag, do the crown lines stow in elastics inside the top of the bag? Or how does it work? That's the way I guessed it could work when putting a PC into a bag a couple years back. On mine they just S folded into the bag just like the rest of the chute. The thing I remember taking the most care of in packing was the stabilizers. And I never had a malfunction with it. I had a total once but that was before the hand deployed pilot chute was installed. I was using a temporary ripcord till I got to 75 jumps and then they allowed you to use a throw out. Had the total on the 37th jump. The red white and blue 26' Lo Po worked great. Stood it up. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

My first rig was a Wonderhog with an RW PC in a regular deployment bag with a hand deploy pilot chute installed. I had a 26 Lo Po for a researve which I used once. I got it from Dean Westguard in 1981 I believe. Squares were around but we weren't allowed to jump them untill we had 75 jumps under rounds. At least that was the story that Larry Fatino gave me LOL... John Camble test jumped it for me before I got it and he almost went in on it with a hard pull. He ended up on the other side of the 15 freeway behind a hill. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

"Its not really the government, its the archaeological method. You don't want to just start digging and mess up what could be in a ground, it's very methodical and tedious." Good point... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

"How hard is it to spend half a day with some equipment and go through the piled dirt?" The government is a funny creature. I was asking the same question when Inyo County was trying to get money together to go dig up Barkers Ranch area in Death Valley looking for bodies from the Manson gang era. After many cadaver dog hits you would think they could just run a backhoe down there and dig but NOOOO.... They said they had no money for that. Finally they dug and from what I understand they found graves. So it does not surprise me that they are taking their sweet time diggin up this chute. And they could use a cadaver dog to help their cause if there is a hit there. Ya the government seems pretty darn stupid at times. Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."

Thanks Phreezone... I don't know why that link did not work... Green Light "Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question."