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No, that is not an option. Someone who claims to have been there and seen it for themself is not simply mistaken. Edinburgh isn't a particularly big place, and St Mary's Cathedral alone can be seen from miles away. That's not hyperbole, it's built on a fucking great hill in the middle of town. Its Google description includes the words "towers over the city" in the first sentence. If you are suggesting that Mark may be so unbelievably stupid that he could visit Edinburgh in a lucid state of mind and come away genuinely believing that it contains no churches then I'm afraid you are being far more condescending than me.

It can't be all of those things. Some of them are mutually exclusive. But seriously, come on - are you still claiming that it wasn't his idea, and that he said what he did because his scientific advisors told him that was what they were doing? For real? And by the way, I answered your question about Trump and chemo drugs but you never answered mine. Since you think it's plausible and worthwhile to investigate whether UV light and disinfectant can be used as treatments for viruses they kill, why do you think it hasn't already happened? Why don't we already treat any other viruses with UV light or bleach therapy? I asked you that several times and you dodged each and every one so come one, let's have it. This entire conversation is revolving around your single minded insistence on reading the absolute worst possible meaning into everything the media says - to the point where you have to insist that "Outcry after Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment" actually means "Outcry after Trump instructs people to self inject bleach" even though it is a clear and obvious lie.

Shows its not all about you though eh? But in all seriousness - someone who claims to have seen that there are no churches left in Edinburgh is either lying or hallucinating. I went with the more polite option to begin with.

What is that conviction? And yet, as we know from Trump's statements on injecting disinfectant, the Republican leadership don't need to issue instructions for people out there to think that the things they say and do are a good idea. Pence not wearing a mask, even in locations where all visitors are instructed to wear masks, sets a bad example for everyone who sees it and that will have an effect.

Sure, the ill being that he is setting a bad example for everyone who doesn't have the benefit he does of access to regular testing and therefore the knowledge that he is not going to be spreading the Coronavirus regardless. And the good being... um... help me out here?

Which again begs the question, why have you spent so much time defending it? You said he was repeating what he was told. You said the ideas were worth investigating. You said he was trying to bring people hope. If what you realy think is that it was just his normal crazy stream of consciousness why did you make up all of that other stuff?

I'm just saying what I see. What I'm trying to do is get you to be honest. I don't see why you conflate admitting you were wrong with rising to something. Maybe that explains why you can't do it, that you think it's somehow shameful but really it's the opposite that's true. If you admitted to the provably false things you've been saying and the intentional lies I just listed you might actually earn a shred of respect. If you keep dodging and lying allover again to avoid admitting you were clearly wrong then you'll just keep looking as bad as you do. By the way, have you seen how many people on here accuse you of trolling? Looking for a rise is your gig.

You are utterly spineless. The press did not suggest that Trump instructed people to inject themselves with bleach. You're too stubborn to simply admit you were wrong so now you're lying to cover it up. Neither the press nor I would have you believe that he was being malicious when he was talking about the possibility of injecting disinfectant. That is a lie that you're too weaselly to admit or apologise for. And again as you pointed out - he was spitballing ideas, not repeating what any scientist or doctor told him. That was an entirely false suggestion you made that you are just too proud to admit was something you simply made up. Why do you do this to yourself?

Just so we're both clear about this - are you asking me to do your homework for you? No, it's spot on.

Yes, he was spitballing ideas - something which gives the lie to your earlier claim that they weren't his ideas, and he was passing on what the scientists had told him they were going to do. I haven't seen you admit you were wrong about that yet either. Come on, man up and do it. You are lying. I have not once stated or suggested that he did it with the intention of hurting anyone. If you have a shred of integrity you will admit you were wrong and apologise now. You are also still lying about the press. They and I would have you believe he did it out of ignorance and stupidity, not maliciousness. And they are absolutely right. In fact, the one person who claimed he did do it maliciously? Trump himself, whose official position on the matter is that he said it sarcastically to reporters he hated just to 'see what would happen'. If it was true, that would be fucking malicious. But surprise suprise, who is it that you are defending?

Why should I? I don't need to support a claim that no one is making. You claimed that the media is saying he instructed people to inject themselves with bleach, and you have utterly failed to provide any examples of any media stories saying that. Stop trying to deflect attention away from your own lies and just admit you were wrong. It really shoud be easy enough, you wrote out the fucking template only a couple of posts ago.

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Are you a bit touched?

"But the ones out of my garden aren't bitter at all. Just "green" tasting & crunchy. Delicious either raw or steamed." Lol, I had no idea that "delicious" was a synonym for 'barely tolerable but I enjoyed growing them' See, it literally is exactly like Trump - you claim now to dislike them, but your other posts tell a very different story. Thanks for bringing that example up, it's very illuminating.

You are confused. There is no need for me to show he suggested individuals inject themselves with chemicals because there are no stories that say he suggested that individuals should inject themselves with chemicals. There are no headlines that say he told anyone to self administer chemicals. They do not exist. You. Are. Lying. What is it that drives you to behave like a pathetic sycophant of an individual you claim to not even like?

That is a barefaced lie. He absolutely did suggest that injecting disinfectant could be a cure for Coronavirus. The headlines are accurate, and the body of the stories clarify beyond doubt exactly what his meaning was (with the exception of Al Jazeera, which remains vague but does not support your allegation). For you to suggest that any of them are dishonest is a barefaced lie on your part. Show me to be wrong and I'll admit it. Show me the stories in the media which say Trump instructed anyone to inject themselves with bleach. You can't, and you know you can't. So where is your admission that you were wrong?

OK. In 2015 you said you grow your own Brussels Sprouts and you love them. Crikey, turns out Trump is a Brussels Sprout. When it's expedient you caim to dislike them, but there's no way anyone could guess that because every other time you post about them it's defence and praise.

You don't have to deal with them. Doctors have to deal with them. Doctors were appalled at what Trump said. Doctors were right.

On this subject they are telling the truth. You are lying about what they say for the purpose of creating drama and pushing your opinion.

Yes, you were wrong. Since you've already had to admit that on this topic (though there are still several more lies you've peddled that you have yet to retract) I'd have thought you'd have decided to drop it by now. To be absolutely clear - none of those headlines or articles claim that Trump instructed anyone to inject or ingest bleach. I'm going to chalk up the preceeding post as simply your standard laziness and inability to fact check, but if you still try and claim any of those three stories say that it will be nothing but a barefaced lie. SO which is it, will you provide any actual support for your claim, or will you say you were wrong.

Can you provide a link to the thousands of posts you have spent discussing Brussels sprouts on this forum?

You know who could fathom that? Doctors. Because they know what stupid people will do with stupid suggestions. Between you and the doctors, who do you think was right?

Provide evidence that the media keeps insisting he did.

Lol, so because some random guy on Twitter who voted for Trump said it, that equates to 'the left grasping at straws'? Your reaction to Trump's speech, your constant stream of made up excuses and rationalisations for what he said that have one by one been proven conclusively wrong - that is what grasping at straws looks like, and it is the right doing it.

And the posts you have made expressing that disgust and repulsion for Trump exist on what forum?