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And George Floyd had a gold coffin, so BLM is bullshit.

Of course - you're both making very silly comparisons.

Yep, I'm pretty sure that is just as imaginary as Turtle's comparison.

And if you wait for them a false equivalence as facile as the one you just did, it would be warranted. I very much doubt that you will.

That's an argument for having politicians, not for having the EC.

Meh. I mean if he was elected for two terms he would be 86 years old at the end of his second term. And yes there are plenty of remarkable people who remain in outstanding physical and mental condition right the way through their 9th decade they are in a small minority, and the chances of something serious happening or developing skyrocket. I suppose it would be valid to say that if you're happy with his VP then you wouldn't be bothered if he made it to the end of that term or not, but IMO a situation with prolonged hospitalisation, mental decline, or becoming physically incapable of dealing with the stresses of the offices would be a much bigger deal. Trump has done so much damge to the conventions surrounding constitutional limits on the President and his cabinet that there's going to be enough work to do unpicking that mess without taking too much of a risk of a 25th(?) amendment dispute coming in as well.

I wasn't arguing that anything had.

That's what I'm trying to say, but I mean that the logic they used to show that states could do that was based on a broad interpretation of the power given by that phrase. Whether states can compell electors to follow the national popular vote is a seperate question, but I think it would be difficult to then argue that the same logic and power did not apply. Probably a more simple rebuttal to Airdvr's point is that the SC said that states can compell electors to comply with the Statewide popular vote, but not that they have to.

I don't think so. The SC held that states have the right to compel electors to vote for their party's candidate. The decision certainly assumes that the electors will be appointed based on the popular vote of the state, but that's because it is the way it's always been done and because that was the case in front of them. I'd think that the wording of the decision would require a new SC ruling for the popular vote compact because of that. However, the current ruling does explicitly interpret the phrase "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors" as being so broad in its power that it gives the states complete control over those electors - to remove them, to fine them, to compel them to vote in a certain way. I think they'd have a hard time going back on that and arguing that it has a hidden meaning that limits the states to only compelling them to respect the popular vote of the state, not of the nation.

I'm not sure I really like that argument. If you live in an area that absolutely never swings it's probably going to be frustrating - but ultimately in any election by any counting method that's decided by more than one vote either way then you could say that your vote didn't matter. And it'd technically be true but also kinda not the point y'know? On a different tack to most of the common arguments, I'd propose that without the EC it'd be a lot harder to continue disenfranchising the US citizens living in place like DC and Puerto Rico. Four million people in those two areas alone who really don't get a vote that matters.

Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN, "... Meanwhile, the President's rally was 18 days ago, all attendees had their temperature checked, everyone was provided a mask, and there was plenty of hand sanitizer available for all. It's obvious that the media's concern about large gatherings begins and ends with Trump rallies." So apparently the fact that hardly anyone was wearing masks is by the by, they were protected by the mere presence of masks! I wonder if he ever had to tell a college girlfriend that he couldn't have got her pregnant because of the condom he left in his wallet.

No, I believe he's talking abut the racists and gormless right wingers who want to protect the celebratory statues of the Confederate traitors while moaning that Floyd's funeral is too much.

What will you do?

Jesus you are desperate.

Ah, of course you're right, such a thing must be totally unique. Except... why is it so easy to buy one if they're unheard of? Seriously, it amazes me the desire you have to remain willfully ignorant of the truth so that you can make these inane arguments. And here's the other thing that applies regardless of whether gold coffins are ever used otherwise... so Floyd's family wanted to give him an ostentatious casket. So the fuck what? Seriously. What fucking impact does it have on anything else that is happening with the BLM movement that George Floyd's family like gold? What the fuck do you think it means? Why the fuck do you think it reflects how anyone else in the rest of the fucking world thinks about George Floyd? Why does it have any fucking bearing whatsoever on the righteousness or otherwise of the BLM cause, and the current wave of protest sweeping the US and beyond? In short, so his coffin is gold? Why. Do. You. Care?

What does that mean? Utter bullshit. No-one is putting Floyd on any form of pedestal. No-one is calling him a saint, or any of the other lies being spewed at you by the right wing media. He is simply a man who was killed when he shouldn't have been. That's it. What about it have you never heard of? How much attention do you normally reserve for keeping up to date on ostentatious funerals? Jimmy Saville lay in state in a gold coffin to be seen by thousands, had a procession through a city with hundreds following, a requiem mass in a cathedral and was then transported again for burial by the coast - and he turned out to be the most prolific pedophile the UK has ever known. Michael Jackson was buried in a gold coffin too - one of those odd little co-incidences I guess. Utter bullshit. The pharoahs were buried in the largest edifices ever created by man at that time, their burials being planned in advance for decades, carried out with the labour of thousands and an equivalent cost of billions of dollars. Lenin's body lay in state for three days before his funeral, both attended by tens of thousands despite the midwinter Moscow weather being -35F, then he was embalmed and left on display for people to see to this day. Neither is remotely close to the funeral of Floyd, and it is ludicrous to suggest that they are. What is it that motivates you to do so?

Nope. EC voting isn't like voting. It's not a secret ballot. The good news is, if you want to know how it went down you can actually watch how it went down. TBH, the thing it really highlights is what an pointless dog and pony show it is just to pay lip service to an arcane and outmoded system. America is so weird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kMvOkfpONE

I guess George Floyd is still alive then. And Eric Garner. And James brown. And Willie Ray Banks*. And Byron Williams. And... well just a shitload of people. *(Pay close attention to that one, the cop is as ignorant as you on how suffocation works.)

Sounds like it does both. According to the article, in one of the cases ruled on state officials removed and replaced an elector who attempted to vote against the outcome of the popular ballot, and the SC supported that.

There are many, but it's a trawl through the search feature I have absolutely no inclination to waste any time on just to answer your inane question. Again, if you think either the entirety of the leftist posters here or 'the left' as a whole hits that standard of zealotry you are only showing the degree of right wing zealotry that you possess.

If you think that the entirety of the left behaves in the same way as the zealous portion of the religious, you are simply revealing the degree of your own right wing zealotry.

In another of those 'maybe karma is a thing?' moments, Brazil's Bolsonaro tests positive for covid-19. Though considering the efforts he's made to get Brazil to overtake the US for the number one spot in this particular competition it's only really a surprise it's taken this long.

And also that he insists he is the only one doing that, and it couldn't possibly be the case that anyone else posts that way. He knows he's a centrist who sees the whole picture even though he posts almost exclusively in support of right wing propaganda, but he also knows that everyone who posts remotely to the left of centre is definitely a biased leftist who can't see anything beyond that.

For someone who always insists that other people do their own homework whenever you're asked to put up some information you seem utterly allergic to making any effort whatsoever to inform yourself. There's another video out there of her subsequent encounter with the police which will answer all your questions.

Or that the media are propping up Biden while deliberately covering up his supposed misdeeds, which are in fact pro-Trump conspiracy theories?