TypicalFish

...where the purported National Guard memos are supposed to have come from and how they got into the hands of CBS? Save the "snide comments" for one of the other threads (though they are funny); I have just been unable to turn up anything via the web as to the supposed source... "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

I see your point; I guess it depends on your definition of American interests. If that was the case, shouldn't we be lined up across the border from North Korea next? Well, in fairness the US military has been lined up on the North Korean border for the last 50 years or so. That's true, I meant it more along the lines of a pre-emptory invasion. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Exactly. Just like the right. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

No, it really was Kerry. 60 Minutes has the memos proving it. The White House HAD to have cladestinedly released them as some type of sting operation. Ther is no wat that the soppn he was supposed to use was even invented at that time. Betty Crocker was on O'reilley tonight discussing that the utensils available in that year were not equipped to perform such a coplicated task. Or maybe they should have noticed the "Sent from my Blackberry Wireless Handheld" across the bottom... "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Stupid, shows what you know. That was Al Gore. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Jeez, and I thought you were twisted before... Dateline Tonight - "Politics Invades the Dessert!!!" Partisanship has taken on a whole new realm, now, Dessert. Thats right folks. The left leaning portion of a website called Dropzone.com has denounced Tapioca Pudding as a Right Wing Conspiracy. More on this story at eleven. You know, Tuna could be the second coming of Christ and I just couldn't get behind the Tapioca thing. YUCK. And for the record, though I do lean left on some issues, I think the right has better food. Who the f#$% wants tofu when you can have ribs? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

This is an interesting question; I would be interested to know the answer as well. Though I think in the long run (and you would probably agree) that where they came from has little do with it. If he had them and was willing to use them, that would be enough. Not to switch sides in mid-argument, but I always find it funny when the first thing people opposed to the war say is: "Well, we sold them to him"... Who cares? Would that make you feel better when they were used? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

I see your point; I guess it depends on your definition of American interests. If that was the case, shouldn't we be lined up across the border from North Korea next? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Not the point. The point is you and the liberals have cried from the mountain-tops that there are NO WMDs in Iraq and clearly there are. That, my friend, is the point. When have I EVER said that? (Use the "search" function if you need to) I am actually on the fence, my position has ALWAYS been that there is no conclusive evidence (as a matter of fact, alot of evidence to the contrary), therefore, I question their existence. Pardon my cynicism; I guess it is the product of the ADMITTED mistakes regarding the war and it's motivation on the part of the administration. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

What is enough for you? I think that's a fair question. - Jim It is a very fair question, actually. Either A.)What was indicated to the American people by our leaders that would be found there; or, B.) An existing quantity of weapons and a delivery system sufficient to propose a clear and present danger (to use a hackneyed phrase) to the United States. This could include evidence of a program to develop and deploy such weapons in the near term. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Because it would prove the liberals liars. Can't have that. ANYONE who believes that any administration or political party does not include a group of self-interested liars has been living on the moon for the last 30 years. I just want to make sure I am clear on the point here. If Colin Powell had gone in front of the American people and the world and said "the Iraqis have (let's call it) 50 shells loaded with Ricin, and this is adequate reason for us to invade their country", you would be in agreement? My point is, where do YOU draw the line? Is one enough? Two? Fifty? Would there be any that were too little? Any answer is fine, I am just trying to get a handle on where you are going with this. Why is it such a bad thing to question (notice I did not say "discount") the original justification when there has not been the quantities found that we were assured would be? I am willing to accept the fact that they may be there; and would just like to see some proof. The people on this board are so quick to throw the word "sheep" out there; what do you call someone who blindly believes and refuses to question an assertion that has yet to be proven? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

A good read, and good food for thought. However, how does it address the fact that no weapons have been found? Additionally, isn't a good portion of this report based on older intelligence, which the adminstration has pointed out as inaccurate and faulty alot of the time to dilute their culpability for its use? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

That must have been right after they pulled out of Long Beach... It was really weird to see them tear down what used to be such a big base... "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Hey, do you have a link to this? I (seriously) have not heard anything more about it... "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

I'm just curious if you can tell me what the casualty count would be were those few mortar shells we've found detonated in downtown Atlanta at rush hour? What does this have to do with anything? They weren't. And Saddam Hussein had no way to get them here. I live in Long Beach south of the Port. Can you tell me what the casualty count would be if an LNG tanker were blown up in Atlanta at rush hour? And how would that discussion have ANYTHING to do with the war in Iraq? Would that mean the US Army should invade Long Beach? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Agreed, though by that rationale, isn't any supposition that we were right ALSO speculation? What I do NOT agree with is that there have been quantities found so far that support the invasion for that purpose. The people in this thread are confusing that with "there never were any", which is not what I said. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Jeez, and I thought you were twisted before... "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Absolutely. What is wrong with wanting proof that my country did not go to war over a supposition? Especially when the ADMINISTRATION can't agree on the validity of that supposition. And liberals are the "sheep"? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

What kind? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Research how many kids are killed in Afghanistan by 25-year-old mines. Most weapons do not have a shelf life like a loaf of bread. NOT the point I was making. The public was led to believe that there were EXTENSIVE stockpiles that could be deployed almost instantaneously. I think the question is: "Where are they"? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

What does one have to do with the other? My point is that there should be SOME standard of proof or level of threat besides , "Oh, well we found some shells, see?". Where are those huge quantities that made Saddam such a threat that we had to invade? I am not saying they aren't there (or weren't), but there still needs to be SOME accountability, don't you think? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

I guess to conservative sheep twelve gas shells that are twenty years old DO? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

I'd get rid of it... It will probably have as much worth in 2 months as that "Bush/Cheney" t-shirt... (Edit: Is that the correct "humor" smiley? I got ripped for it once before) "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Actually, I have. I went into this election season with a pretty strong conviction that changing leadership at this time would be a moderately poor idea. However, having done a large amount of research on Bush's economic policies, environmental policies, and his strategy and tactics (and exploitation) regarding the "war on terrorism", I am pretty convinced that the current administration is engaged in deceit, manipulation, and cronyism on a level that is intolerable. And he has to go. Do I love Kerry? No. Quite frankly, I think he will be a mediocre president with no lasting legacy. But in reference to an earlier post, I am not the type of person who waits until a great employee comes along to fire a bad one. And no, it has not been influenced by his or Kerry's 30 year old "war record"... God, who gives a sh%$? "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET

Fair enough. Biased sources can still accurately report stories, to be sure. I think that point is lost on people sometimes. "I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET