peacefuljeffrey

Why didn't you also object to being drug tested? Isn't that treating you as though you have to prove your innocence where illegal drug use is concerned? But the credit check, you object to? Even IF it doesn't keep you from getting the job? I don't get it. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Hey, so, you going to his funeral? Sounds like you're gonna miss him, the poor guy. So, so sad. You know what amazes me? The fact that you give a shit for the life of a scumbag who pulls a gun on people in a bank and takes innocent people hostage. Or is this really all about your fascination with me and what I like? -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I bet you get yourself banned from here for making personal attacks (before long). -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

REAL WORLD experience PROVES UNEQUIVOCALLY that they DO get out, and they DO murder additional innocent people. Your solution does not guard against that. Mine does. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

He was found guilty. Yeah, and he was sentenced. How would you feel if a kid was found with an eigth of weed on him, and given 90 days, and they just decided after the 90 days were up to just hold him for another 6 years? You'd say, "Hey! He was sentenced to only 3 months!" I don't sympathize with pedophile priests. They disgust me. But some of you people have such huge gaps in your ethics you disgust me just as much. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

EXACTLY. It's not hard to live your life never holding someone hostage with a knife to her throat. So if you do decide to do that, you have only yourself to blame for taking a .308 to the noggin. Thank you!

Wow. Is that how you want the prison system to be? You say, "Not saying it's right..." but it's pretty clear you cheer the idea of it. If juries and judges and wardens and guards send ANYONE to prison knowing/believing that the person is headed for an extra-legal execution at some unspecified time into his prison term, then they all should be convicted of malfeasance and imprisoned as well (possibly to be executed by other inmates, themselves, I guess). What you're saying is that you wish our penal system were run like they are in third world countries. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Are you pro-capital punishment? Because I can't see how you would not be. You want to make sure that a priest can't ever molest a kid again; do you also want to make sure a murderer can't take another person's life? Execution makes that a reality. Imprisonment fails to. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

From the story: "Druce, 40, would be sentenced to life in prison without parole if convicted of first-degree murder. He is serving a life sentence for killing a hitchhiker who allegedly made a sexual pass at him. He used an insanity defense, without success, during that 1989 trial." Oh. I see. How horrible for him, that he should have his sentence extended from "life" to, um, "life." See, folks. Here is the fuckin' problem with NON-capital punishment for murderers, in a nutshell. They get the chance to murder again. If you support the idea of extra-legal murders taking place in prison just because you have a special loathing for those who are murdered there, then you're pretty fucked up, and you really don't have any legitimate claim to any other kind of protection by the law: Cops beat you up when they arrested you for D.U.I.? Too fuckin' bad. I want to see extra-legal beatings dispensed to those who risk my life and the lives of my loved ones by driving drunk. Prosecutor fudged evidence, withheld exculpatory statements made by witnesses on your behalf? Planted incriminating evidence? Faked lab results? Well, too fuckin' bad. Some of us want people to go outside the law to get you. How do you like them apples? Look, the long and the short of it is, if you wanted the priest dead, you should have wanted it done in a legal, moral, ethical way -- i.e. the state, representing the People, sets sentence and executes it. NOT some scumbag already-murderer carrying out "jailhouse justice." And then you have no way to punish him further, so every murder after his first is, essentially, a freebie. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

"Layscumbag." Teehee!! Great word! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, here's a thought: How can you sanction murders that take place in prison, when the priest's sentence -- for whatever reason -- was not death? How about if some prisoner doesn't like drug dealers, and so he decides to once in a while murder drug dealers in prison? Here's another problem with keeping murderers alive in prison rather than executing the pieces of shit: when they murder someone in prison, be it another prisoner, or a guard or other employee of the prison, what the fuck can you do to him to punish him further? He's a murderer in prison "for life": how else can you punish him? Murderers should be executed. Molestors should be caned, viciously. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I know. I fucking know. I swear to christ, it really does fucking seem like the British are trying to do EXACTLY every goddamned thing that book warns against doing as a society. In the newspapers, it reads like a fucking Vonnegut novel. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, and my kids beat the shit out of your kids for wearing dorky shorts to gym class, and take their lunch money daily. Toughen your little pansies up, if you know what's good for 'em! "Hah hah!" J/K -- I don't even have any kids. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

billvon defends smacking children?! I did not expect it! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

And yet I am characterized as some sort of bad guy for pointing out that England just keeps getting more and more fucked in the head. If we want to build a society of sociopathic, egomaniacal, id-driven maniac children who do whatever they want at any given moment with absolutely no self-control, then yeah, we should criminalize ALL forms of parent-child punishment. Why stop as spanking? What about being made to sit in the corner? That's just...just...mean! How can we allow parents to torment their children like that?! Just for misbehaving?! What right do parents have to correct misbehavior?! The STATE knows better! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Sure, murder never occurs in jails....(sigh!). Excellent point, juanesky. Thank you. And they sometimes murder prisoners who are there for much much less serious crimes. How about a drug offender who is murdered by a hard-core killer in prison? Should the drug offense be a capital crime, in that sense? Bill is the one who wants the murderer housed in prison for life, just because some of the public and politicians are too squeamish about executing them. And such imprisoned-for-life people do get the opportunity to murder other inmates, sometimes riot, sometimes take hostages, sometimes maim and kill prison guards. (How it is so much more palatable to them to lock a guy in a drab, 6x8 cell for 23 hours of every day is something I cannot fathom. That seems the cruelest, most harsh kind of existence, and death would be preferable to that kind of "life." But the anti-death-penalty crowd tells us that we are the ones who are cruel and bloodthirsty and want to be mean to the murderers...) -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

For shame, Bill! Quote the whole sentence!: "We have no shortage of murderers in jail for sentences other than execution. Apparently, 25-years-to-life is also no deterrent to murderers. I guess we should just let them go free, since the threat of prison also won't stop them." For what it's worth, PLENTY of people who have already been in prison for murdering another human being (you can call it "manslaughter" if you want -- I include those too) go on to murder more people after release. "Life in prison" is a FUCKING BULLSHIT TERM -- one of the BIGGEST FRAUDS ever perpetrated on the People. HARDLY ANYONE, it seems, actually serves the rest of their lives in prison. Well, maybe some big-money drug dealers do, but not the fucking MURDERERS. And then there are the escapes. How many times do we hear in the news of "life in prison" murderers becoming escapees who somehow get out, carjack someone, hold hostages, kill again...? More often than we should ever hear -- since murderers should be dead. Bill, I might be pursuaded away from the death penalty if we could stop with the fucking lies. Stop calling a 10 year sentence "life in prison," and make sure these people stay there until they actually DIE there. We are not nearly there. So I cannot yet support "life in prison" as an alternative to capital punishment. A straw man argument. We don't do that. No one, not one, capital-punishment protester claims we "should just let them go free." The argument used against the death penalty -- that it is not a deterrent to murder -- can be used against life in prison. Why bother to keep them there for life? It won't deter them from murdering to know that they stand to go to prison until they die there. Why spend all that money? Why not just give them ten years, during which we'll try to "rehabilitate" them -- make them "productive members of society"? -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

you said that he should have been executed after he murdered somebody. Most if not all western nations do not agree that there should be a death penalty. Further, now you want the death penalty for attempted murder as well? See? You were accusing me of wanting him executed for the attempted murder of the pope, before you even knew that he was already a convicted murderer. I expect the courts and governments to do their job and protect society from such people who have demonstrated their willingness to murder. That's the job of governments; releasing murderers out among us is malfeasance. Murderers should be executed upon conviction for murder. Whether to release this guy years later should have been a nonissue. The only thing there should have been to release is a small bowl of ashes, maybe. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Once again, someone introduces the notion that capital punishment is worthless if it's not a deterrent. Specious argument. We have no shortage of murderers in jail for sentences other than execution. Apparently, 25-years-to-life is also no deterrent to murderers. I guess we should just let them go free, since the threat of prison also won't stop them. Why is it that no one who cites the failure of execution to be a deterrent ever addresses this point? I'll answer my own question: It's because they have no valid rebuttal to it. The criminal justice system has no formula for deterring criminals, and certainly no formula for rehabilitating them. But looking back over history, it's only kinda recently that we decided that the purpose of incarcerating criminals should be to "make them productive members of society" rather than its historical, traditional purpose, which has always been to show that there is a PUNISHMENT for breaking society's laws. And dead murderers never kill again. Released murderers do so a lot. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I don't feel it comes down to a "two wrongs don't make a right" situation -- because it's inappropriate to label an act of society protecting itself against madmen and psychopaths by executing them as a "wrong." It's not criminal, and it's not immoral, and it's not unprovoked. Skydekker wants to just take anything I say and twist it to make fun of it, even when he distorts the original meaning to the point of absurdity. Nothing in the law allows for me to just go about doing freelance executions of people who were not (too bad) sentenced to be executed. Duh. Instead, he just wants to say that I'm "crazy". He doesn't even care about getting any facts right. First he accused me of wanting a guy executed for attempted murder (which doesn't sound so bad to me: see my other post on the subject) because HE did not know that the guy I was talking about was already a convicted murderer; then he ignores when I pointed that out to him and parrots his, "there's no death penalty in most western countries" crap. I just don't feel there's gonna be any reaching him -- he's willfully not understanding. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Once again, I never said we didn't have criminals or criminal behavior. The difference is, do you respond by punishing the criminals, or kissing their asses in the hope that you can mollify them into a state of not wanting to riot in your town and destroy all o' your shit. Britain has opted for the latter course. America expects lawful behavior, and still (sort of, anyway) tries to actually punish criminals. Are you sure that Britain was not invaded and taken over by the French recently? -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Less talking. More sammiches. ... couldn't... respond to... poll... laughing... too...hard! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

100% incorrect. There is no prohibition against concealed weapons in a bank, per the Florida law concerning firearms carry. If you assert that there is, please cite the section of the law. I've done a bit of your homework for you (hope the teacher doesn't find out!): Here is a link to the Florida state website concerning where carry is restricted. Now, regarding Skydekker's cynical question, is it only true if it's true 100% of the time? Maybe some bank robbers would worry about that, but some wouldn't, and these two didn't. I don't claim that my gun is guaranteed to save me. I have it so that I'd have a chance, in those situations which might occur in which having a gun would provide the best chance of defending myself successfully. You really think I believe that it's magical protection? -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Fuck off! Im not that bad! Is worrying though. I wonder how long my packjobs are going to take That'll depend on how many times you pull your closing pin out to make sure you closed the flaps in the proper sequence! Oh, and you might get delayed if you feel you have to pop your reserve just to make sure that the spring is good on your reserve pilot chute! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, but it's still a beer, right? Well, then, it's still piss, and temperature doesn't really enter into it. I know, I know, it's heresy to be a skydiver and not think beer is the greatest thing since zero-P, but I hate it. Gimme a PEPSI any day. Keep your beer. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"