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I think this guys is making up a bullshit story to sell a used junk canopy to whuffos. It may be the reserve that was sold origionally and found to be unairworthy and sent back to the seller. The sad thing is, he may have come across accident photos (I've seen them in the wrong hands before) and someones tragedy is being exploited to sell a conversation peice. Maybe someone we know I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I remember the era well, PD told us you could use tubestoes with sabres, the Nova was "Shaper than a sword" and a young Patrick Passe gave us Travelling 1-3. A much simpler time, Max loading on a Sabre 170 was 187lbs with gear! I still remember a rigger looking at my square reserve like a caveman looking at fire I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

If I remember the story correctly, because the "O" stood for opening, the implication was that the device "opened" the parachute, which it can't possibly do. Changing it to activation made it more acurate. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I guess is hould have said relating to gear. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Your right, rivalries suck. I split from another DZ some years ago, pretty much lost every friend I ever had in skydiving. The things that have back to me have really hurt(although I'll never know if they were really said or not). I've had a great deal of time to reflect on this topic as I have been a target since I started instructing in '94. I know the people who hold the grudges, I considered them friends. I've talked to them, laughed with them, drank with the even cried with them. I've seen them in best moments and thier worst. None of them are bad people. None of them purposely try to hurt or demean others. They were once friends who, IMO, want whats best for comunity. But they're angry, right or wrong, they're angry. Sometimes I feel that if I bounced tomorrow, they'd have a party, but being angry back won't make things better and if they show up at my DZ tomorrow, they'll get a welcome handshake and beer at the end of the night. Tim I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Ooops, sorry. TAS stands for two action system, as oppossed to single operatin system or SOS. It's basically means a two handle system. I first learnt the acronym when I went from the SOS student gear I was trained on to two handle on my first sport rig. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I've been talking to several extrememly knowledgable people in the equipment manufacturing field and no one has even heard of TAS. Can anyone tell me if this is old terminology (like AOD) or maybe just a canadian thing? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I think I can get a deal on shipping, only $65 I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I don't agree with that crap. Ship 'em up to me, I'll take care of ya! Tim I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Think More of a cone and if a WDI was dropped in the centre, it would hit the peas. The lower you are, the smaller the area of the top of the cone is. The higher you are, the larger it is. I judge where to let out jumpers based on where a round (or freebag) lands. Sometimes that puts us to the outside quadrant. If you have a fast moving plane with lots of jumpers and you are deep to the side of the quadrant, then yes getting every extra foot would be critical, but seeing that you are more likely to spot from a bug smasher than an otter, a 5 degree correction isn't going to make the difference between making it and not. If it does, then you needed more than 5 degrees. I guess it's just perspective, I teach at a 182 DZ. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I agree, my point was more one of awareness than anything else, after all I had previously mentioned just what you said, a small correction secs before exit is will only get you a couple more feet.

I usually show jumpers this technique while in the plane so it's quite hard without a visual reference. The first step in teaching this technique is to get the student on a jump run and get him to exit at a certain point. (I find straight roads work the best) I have them look on the horizon 90 degrees to the flight of the aircraft and have them draw an imaginary line downward. (that's why a long straight road works so well) Once that technique is mastered, the student learns to pick two points 90 degrees to each other. It can be the jump run and another at 90 degrees to the flight line or two points 45 degrees to the flightline. Since teaching this, I have found that spotters not only have more accuate spots but also are quicker to pick up on drift the aircraft may be experiencing and changing winds while climbing to altitude. I've even seen spot corrections made from the strut (usually to new pilots who let the drag bank the plane right) Tim I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I think I have to respectfully disagree, 450 - 600 ft is about 20 houses. Think about how small that distance looks from 2500'. It's 1/10 of a miles or less. The concept is this; lets say a canopy can glide about 1 1/2 miles (about a 3:1 glide ratio at 2500") from opening altitude. That would mean that even though your spot should be over top, you could open up in an area with a radius that is 1 1/2 miles from the spot. That's a 3 mile diameter, an area of over 7 square miles. Your spot could be off as much as 7500+ feet! That's why I view 400-600 feet as being insignificant. I'll concede it would make a difference in a large, fast moving aircraft where to spot has you deep in a quadrant due to obstacles. The old days of round would have made the area even smaller and fine tuning would have been key, but most times I see a 5 degree correction, it happens in a 182, the spotter jumps with 15 to 20 secs of the call. This is why I think 5 degrees is inadequate. If 350' is the difference between making it and walking, it means that you are a mile or more away from the spot. At that point 5 degrees isn't enough. At that point, you need at least 45 left for the perfect spot. I've got a feeling I may have to explain this better, later. I need my training diagrams.

When we opened our DZ, Riggers were in short supply. A rigger that we occasionally hired from out of province charged about $50 CDN and some of my regulars were paying up to $100 if our rigger was unavailable. That was very wrong. As soon as I got my ticket, I started charging $40 (about $32.50 US) because a monoploy and a jumper desperate for a repack is no reason to screw them for extra money. I get pretty overloaded at the start of the season being the only game at the DZ, and most admit I charge too little but I think I owe it to them as they help out alot at the DZ. Tim I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

For judging the actual spot, I believe looking down is only a small part of the equation. Looking down can give incredibly inaccurate results because the plane may be crabbing or banking. I find the best way to find the spot for exit is to look on the horizon and follow a line down. Then pick another point 90 degrees from the first and follow the line down. This can be really easy if you live on the prairies where the roads make perfect 1 mile grids. If you use this technique, you can spot from the back of a 182 with a student strapped to you, you won't have to stick your head out the door. You'll also be able to spot with the door closed (perfect for those -20c days at altitude) and even spot while out on the strut. (try it, the first time you do, you'll think you've drifted from the spot. I know pilots who used to mess with spotters by wagling the wings with changing the flightline. The spotters often thought they had moved to far when in reality, they hadn't moved at all. Oh, and a word about "5 degrees left", If you give that call and jump out 30 secs later, you have move the spot over about 200 ft. Unless you are jumping accuacy with a T10, 200 feet is not crucial and if it is, your spot needs a hell of a lot more than 5 degrees. I only use small degree changes if there is a cross wind and I'm using a 90 degree jump run to avoid taking students over obstacles. I guess to answer the origional question, yes, I do teach it and it's a science!

I guess I'll weigh in, we've had this thread before with a poll, if you search the threads, you'll find it. Oblex has some very valid points on the inadequcies of the round design. Round versus square ...... Sqaures are an all around better canopy. Students jumping with square reserves when it's hitting the fan, that's where the debate lies. I'm afraid I can only speak annecdotally but I have witnessed situations that (IMHO) would have been fatal if it had been two squares. A couple of years ago, I had a student land his main with his round reserve draped over top and before that, I saw a reserve melt itself on the main lines and still operate fine. That's what sways safety towards rounds for me; their proclivity to land in all sorts of nasty configurations. Oblex himself mentioned that he had a round invert, suffer damage and still land ok. That been my experience too. That's why I like them. They are not, however, perfect and in some situations, a square is far safer (tight landing areas for example). Here on the prairies, it's so flat, you could watch your dog runaway ... for three days) Some DZs have poor spotting and give little regard to obstacles. Conversley, some instructor may be poor at teaching square reserve unusual situations. I guess what I'm saying is that there are three other factors beyond round design that will determine safety. 1.) Caliber of students. With the increasing poulaurity of tandems, those that move on to solos may be of a higher calibre. Some DZs however still do primarily IADs/Static line 2.) DZ geography. May require a canopy that allows more options. Other DZs have nothing but open field 3.) instructional staff. More complicated equipment demands better and more vigilant instruction. Just my perspective, nothing is black and white. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Umm that means it wasn't a good spot, unless they were spotting for a more open area than the main LZ. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I will assume you mean redundant through repetition. In any rate, no matter how many redundant or even specious posts there are doesn't change the validity of the balance. Your argument to the first point is still weak.besides you said When you consider that point has been addressed numerous times throughout the thread, then you are either lying about reading the thread, too simple to understand it or adding to the redundancy you just criticized. Once again, if you had read the posts, you would know that my website was directly copied and is used with my name and logo to take business away from a portion of our own market. Besides, It doesn't matter what the legal system is capable of, how much you think you know about it or what the outcome is; it has no bearing on whether or not what Skyride is doing is right. Finally, I understand why you are leaving the post. You can't add any relevant points, you're more interested in inciting emotion than putting forth a valid perspective and it's better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to say something and remove all doubt. I will actually miss you posting, I enjoy trouncing your poor intellect and weak mind Well, you see a metaphor is ... ....Hmm.... you won't probably won't understand it anyway. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Reading your posts have lead me to draw one of three conclusions; 1.) you haven't read any previous posts. The previous posts outline the legitimacy of the arguments as well as offer website addresses that show the irrefutable evidence of copyright theft. 2.) You've read the posts yet cannot grasp the complexities and immorality of theft. Decency eludes you and when you are confronted with the difficult concept of rights violations you just convince yourself that "everyone does it, so what's the big deal." Many of the injustices in history have happened with that perspective. 3.) You are close to ASC and think that you're getting back at the jerks that are unjustly slamming you and your friends. The evidence to that is the nondisclosure of your name. (think about it) If you want, I could make up 100 new user names and increase the number of posters from144 to 244 and give the illusion that more people are weighing in against skyride. As long as I don't post my real name, who'll know they're all me?. Weak arguments and poor logic really tick me off. If #1 is true, go back and read the damn posts. If you don't, you're posting on ignorance. If #2 is true, then you are ignorant. If you can find the ability to form a cogent argument then keep posting but I won't hold my breath. If #3 is true, I understand your anger and frustration but don't swim with sharks 'cause you don't like fish. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Unlike Skydiving aircraft in the US, Comercial jets have to adhear to higher standard. The costs come from a more vigilant maintenance cycle. If the jet can be considered a private aircraft, the pph would drop dramatically. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

I use PVC pipe at my DZ and we hang tandems from it. here is a diagram, It consists of 3 10' peices with the conectors screw in place (four screws each, top bottom and sides) The hooks are simple screw in hooks, make sure you predrill. You can find clamps that have holes in the handles, makes sure the holes fit the hooks. As for the rope, drill two holes, each about three feet from the end of the tube. put the rope through and tie a knot. This should spread the weight out better. Let me know how it works. Tim I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

A little harsh. Sometimes, even medical folk have to deal with stuff that hits a little too close to home. Sometimes the pathologist has to work on a child that looks like thier son or daughter, sometimes a new mother watches someones infant die and sometimes a skydiver sees the aftermath of a low turn. Even hospitals sometimes have to bring in specialists to deal with post traumatic stress in thier emergency staff, it's not like watching ER. Docters, nurses and EMTs are humans, not robots. They do cope with it better than average, they have to, but sometimes the wall can start to crack and they have to figure out another way to cope. Saying that, drinking obviously won't help. I, however, believe that freefalle already has another coping mechanism already in place. Drinking may have just been a momentary fight against the flashes that come with PTSD when she got off shift and found herself alone. I urge anyone who may have witnessed the event to also look into PTSD. I've seen poeple skydive while going through PTSD. It was one of the most scary and dangerous things I had ever witnessed. As skydivers, we all believe that after a reserve ride you have to get back in the air. A fatal accident is someting completely different. Please check out this link http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-an06.html[url]and http://www.ncptsd.org/facts/general/fs_what_is_ptsd.html[/url] Jumping with PTSD is not safe. To all affected, please take care. Tim I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Come on over anytime, and bring the Hugerforce with ya! I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Where to begin... 1.) a Manta is a 9 cell not a 7 2.) I find it hard to believe that someone can jam this main and reserve into a J5. It would more likely be a J8 3.) it was most likely used as student gear. You may notice the two bits of black tape on the upper sides of the main flaps. These are usually for elastic bands to hold bridle or static line (although there are usually more for static line). It probably wasn't student gear origionally because thier is no MLW adjuster. That's about all the sluething I can come up with. I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

Let me know if you find that pesky molar strap. I've using my ... um ... hey where's my belt! I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.