ChasingBlueSky

There was a real given threat in 91. There wasn't this time. I said before, I had no problem with the attack in 91. Oh yea, I'm not liberal. That label doesn't fit me. Open minded is the one I prefer.....I don't go on party lines nor do I allow myself to be limited to one course of action like the conservatives seem to get stuck on. Not all scenarios scale up over time, and with the ability to shelve pride and realize you made a mistake you can grow and choose the right course of action. That is open minded, not anything else. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Uh, don't know much about the first Gulf War do you? There was no political mandate to continue to Bagdad. There was not support with the coalition to do so either. I may have been a bit younger (high school) when it happened, but I do recall a lot. Maybe Bush Sr could have taught some of that diplomacy to his son? Everything I heard had Bush saying he never wanted to go into Bahgdad, but his advisors said he should. In fact isn't that why he let go Stormin Norman? There wasn't full coalition support this time either. At least last time we have a real reason to go in - he invaded a country. This time we had WMD, oh wait.... Yes, he violated sanctions, but as you said he did that right after the war ended as well. He was shooting at our planes in the no fly zone while Bush was still in office. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

But France and Germany and a few others asked this Bush not to go into Bagdad! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I don't know why we waited...That is a question for the UN, and Clinton and Co. Better yet, ask Bush who had troops in Iraq back in 91. Don't blame Clinton or the UN for Bush Sr's screw up. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

You've convinced me. Sounds like a Great idea. I think I'll vote for Kerry too. Ditto. Sure is better than the other option. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

At least you know those pilots are dry. Can't say the same for others _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Sounds like a good idea. I try to avoid Flock of Seagulls as much as possible. Damn, I really hated that group! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Just watching the news here in Chicago..Flight 1394 (an S80) struck a group of birds just after take off around 3000AGL and 300mph. Engine caught fire and spread pieces and dead birds across the NW Burbs. The engine on fire was caught on home video as well. Looks like it was a flock of geese. Emergency landing back at Ohare and no injuries. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Has to be a joke...made me laugh a few times. But if there is a 527 for Kerry's inability to say something correctly, can you imagine how many we can create against Bush??? Maybe we canget a 527 for each Bushism. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I can see someone trying to kill the candidates in the election. Very similar to the attempt on the Afghan President this morning. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Then you have that SBVFT guy that doesn't even agree with himself! Pushing for Kerry and saying how Kerry was a good soldier in Vietnam (its on video so you know it happened ) and then the ads this year. Reeks of corruption to me. But I support his right to speak out on what he wants. There is no law against being an idiot. Hell, if there were one half the posts in this forum would be illegal _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I was thinking that as well - his name has been bounced around a bit. Then again, maybe we should only have people ony the ballet that we can recognize their name or face. Thats an idea - a pre election to see who can get on the ballet just like in high school!! The fact here is that the state is trying to screw with its own laws and the dems are just trying to uphold them. I wonder why Jeb hasn't come out and said something about this??? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Ditto. It turns out they are illegal to use in the state of Illinois. Yes, its a petty ticket, but the trooper could pull you over for obstruction of the plates. It's funny what you find out when you go to traffic school. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Looks like we may need a whole forum just for Hurricane Threads soon. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

#131 had me in tears I was laughing so hard. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Some wounds never heal. I know of someone that has been single for 33 years since her husband left her. She never dated again. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

It might be too late at this point. Landfull in less than 12 hours and the roads are still packed according to the news. Then again, I've never been evacuated. Jeff - I think it is all low level lands! You get the same response in FL as well. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Cheap hotel.......Cheap women? Speaking From Experience? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Try staying at a Holiday Inn Express. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

This was on accuweather today: Depending on the exact strength of Hurricane Ivan at landfall, a severe to catastrophic storm surge will flood coastal areas. Due to the extremely powerful onshore winds which occur on the eastern side of a northward-moving hurricane, the highest storm surge will occur over and just to the east of where the eye moves onshore. The current AccuWeather.com forecast has landfall occuring just west of Mobile, Alabama. The shape of Mobile Bay will cause the storm surge to funnel northward up into bay. If landfall occurs just west of Mobile, it could produce catastrophic flooding and damage to Mobile. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

You can't quite tell about the ones still over Africa - there have been about 4 storms in the last week that were more powerful than that one...and they fell apart once they hit the ocean. But the storm in front of it doesn't look good. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

If you are unemployed in the Chicago Metro area and are looking for training please send me a PM. Why? I may be able to set you up with some free training via a government grant. I can't help with all career paths, but I will see what I can do. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Here is the clip from the middle of the article: And now the entire artilce: Hurricane Ivan Roars Toward Gulf Coast By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer NEW ORLEANS - Stragglers streamed toward higher ground Wednesday on highways turned into one-way evacuation routes and pounding surf started eroding beaches as Hurricane Ivan roared toward the Gulf Coast with 135 mph wind. Ivan could cause significant damage no matter where it strikes, as hurricane-force wind extended up to 105 miles out from the center. Hurricane warnings were posted along a 300-mile stretch from Grand Isle, La., across coastal Mississippi and Alabama to Apalachicola, Fla., but Ivan had turned onto a northerly course, generally toward the center of the warning area, the Alabama and Mississippi coasts. "We're leaving today. All this is going under," said surfer Chuck Myers who was only taking pictures of the waves Wednesday morning at Gulf Shores, Ala. "We surfed it all day yesterday. It was glorious." "This is a bad one and people need to get out," Mobile, Ala., Mayor Mike Dow said Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America." Deputies went door-to-door through the night in south Mobile County, instructing residents to evacuate. Some are expected to remain, Sheriff's Sgt. Steve Kirchharr said, but overall "we have received a good response." Interstate 65 in Alabama was turned into a northbound-only evacuation route Wednesday morning from the harbor city of Mobile to Montgomery. Chemical plants and refineries around Mobile Bay had been closed down. Roughly 2 million people had been urged or ordered to leave coastal areas, including more than 1.2 million in the New Orleans metropolitan area. Forecasters said that although Ivan, which killed at least 68 people in the Caribbean, had weakened very slightly to 135 mph Wednesday, it was still an "extremely dangerous category 4 hurricane," and its strength could fluctuate before it crashes ashore early Thursday morning somewhere along the Gulf Coast. Twelve-foot waves already were booming ashore Wednesday morning at Gulf Shores, Ala., and starting to erode the beach. Light rain had started falling along the Florida Panhandle. A buoy about 300 miles south of Panama City registered waves just over 34 feet high early Wednesday. "This is the first time I've seen waves this big and we've been coming here for years," said Terry Kilpatrick of Winston County in north Alabama, who was boarding up windows on his condominium units at Gulf Shores. At 11 a.m. EDT Wednesday, Ivan was centered about 235 miles south of Mobile and moving north at 13 mph. Forecasters said Ivan could produce a coastal storm surge of 10 to 16 feet, topped by large waves. Everyone from New Orleans east to Apalachicola, Fla., should be worried because even the tiniest change in the storm track could move the location of the storm's landfall by hundreds of miles, Hector Guerrero, a meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center (news - web sites), said Wednesday. "Even a little jog could result in considerable change," he said. And although Ivan's northerly track suggested landfall would be east of New Orleans, Mayor Ray Nagin warned that hurricane-force wind still could strike the region. "We're not quite out of the woods," Nagin said, although he said flooding from Lake Pontchartrain was no longer believed to be a major threat. The city opened the Louisiana Superdome to people with handicaps or medical problems that kept them from evacuating, and Nagin said a shelter for others would open later in the day. All bridges out of New Orleans were ordered shut down as of 2 p.m. because of the threat of high wind, and Police Chief Eddie Compass imposed a 24-hour curfew beginning at the same time. No shelters were available in Baldwin County, Ala., said assistant emergency management director Roy Wulff. The county usually uses schools as shelters, but the wind expected from Ivan "far exceeds the winds those buildings were built to withstand," he said. Streets were all but deserted Wednesday morning in Fort Walton Beach, Fla., and along Mississippi's 75-mile coast, and most homes and businesses, including a number of gas stations, were boarded up. But at Perdido Key, on the Alabama-Florida state line, a steady stream of drivers stopped along U.S. 98 to look at the churning surf. "This is almost a once-in-a-lifetime view," said Glen Phillips, who has lived in the area since 1967. No major problems were reported Wednesday on Mississippi's U.S. 49, the four-lane route from the coast north to Jackson, although it had been bumper-to-bumper late into the night, said Gulfport police Lt. Ricky Chapman said. "Right now things are running pretty smooth but it might pick up again" as evacuation holdouts reconsider, he said. New Orleans is particularly vulnerable to flooding. Up to 10 feet below sea level in spots, it sits between the nearly half-mile-wide Mississippi River and Rhode Island-size Lake Pontchartrain, relying on a system of levees, canals and huge pumps to keep dry. The city has not taken a major direct hit since Betsy in 1965, when an 8- to 10-foot storm surge submerged parts of the city in 7 feet of water. Betsy was blamed for 74 deaths in Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida. In the New Orleans French Quarter, police stood by Wednesday as tourists took a morning walk, and bars were open. "I ain't going nowhere cause I ain't scared," Charles "Smitty" Smith, 60, said as he sipped a morning beer at the Double Play bar in the French Quarter. "I don't care where you are. If you're in the eye of a hurricane, it doesn't matter. I believe in the Lord. ... If the Lord wants to take me, take me." Some people said they wanted to stay to witness the storm's wrath firsthand. "There's nothing like a severe storm to put a human being in their proper place," said Prentice Howard, 59, stationed at Naval Station Pascagoula in Mississippi. "I want to experience the power of nature. It sounds dumb to some people but that's the way it is. Sort of like skydiving." Meanwhile, Tropical Storm Jeanne was threatening to turn into a hurricane Wednesday in the Caribbean as it approached Puerto Rico. At 11 a.m., it had wind of about 70 mph, just a few mph below hurricane strength, and was about 45 miles south-southeast of San Juan, Puerto Rico. Long-range forecasts showed it could be near Florida's east coast as early as the weekend. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

More than once I have looked over at my Suunto and was looking at what time it was over what Alti I was at. A good positive grip over your wrist can change what mode it is in. It's fun under canopy but I wouldn't rely on it when setting up a hook. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

They announced on the news this morning that New Orleans is getting the body bags ready. They fear that close to 50,000 people will be in deadly flood zones and they have a worst case scenario of 10,000 dead. They also mentioned that a few spots to the east of the city are actually lower than New Orleans without any protection. Just curious - how far from the beach are you, and what is your elevation? I just took a drive down I-10 a few months back and it looked like the interstate was the highest point in that area. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....