ChasingBlueSky

The prelude to the recount you mean? The news will be on the air until 1 or 2am. I'm home sick today, but will head out in just a bit to vote. My roommate said there was no line here. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

This was just said right after the debates: "I did have a chance to assess John Kerry once more and now the only thing I could conclude: This is not a good man. Of course, I am speaking as a mom, and a pretty indignant mom. This is not a good man. What a cheap and tawdry political trick." -- Lynn Cheney on the politicization of her daughter, Mary Then this is what was happened on Oct 31st in Hawaii: Dick Cheney and his wife were joined on the campaign trail by their three grandchildren, who were wearing Halloween costumes. Lynne Cheney introduced them to the crowd: Kate, 10, dressed as a medieval peasant; Grace, 4, in a Sleeping Beauty costume; and Elizabeth, 7, wearing a skeleton mask. "'This is John Kerry's health plan,' Lynne Cheney said upon Elizabeth's entrance, drawing peals of laughter See picture: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041031/480/dt10410312151 SOOOOO....don't bring her daughter into the campaign, but you can bring her granddaughter into it? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

There's an election going on? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I still think its code _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Is that code? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

What a messed up movie! I LOVED IT! Total mind f*ck. One of the best horror movies I have seen in a long time, and some good scares - not slasher scary, but more like Seven. Just found out it was made in 18 days in a small warehouse in LA. That really helps with the gritty feel of the movie. It's been years since I went to a movie where people in the theatre were yelling at the characters to do something. Anyone else see it? If you haven't seen it, don't read anything about it - part of the charm of this movie is discovering what is happening the same time the characters find out. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I'm sure your co-workers love you for that too. I have my own office, so they don't care too much (andI have wipes for my keyboard, phone, desk, etc). Besides, with the amount of people that come thru our office on a daily basis, its hard to imagine some flu not getting in here every week of the winter. Anyone wonder why I had the cold seven times last winter? Gotta love sales! It's almost as good as being a teacher around little kids all day long. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I second that. I'm sick too. Blah to both of you - I'm sick and went to work. Damnit, if I'm sick, everyone has to be sick! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

You asked why I thought we were unsafe because of GW and I did explain that. What should we have done? Well, as it turns out, the current action seems to have not been the path to take. We seem to have no problem with N Korea putting together a Nuclear Program - should we invade them as well? What about Iran? Maybe next you will bring up how SH was an asshole that needed to go because of his crimes against humanity and then I will bring up the fact that we should be in the Sudan. You want to have a problem with a country doing bad things behind the eyes of the public? Oil for Food? Is that any worse than Iran Contra? Why do you care if France, Russia, Germany and China wanted to start doing biz with SH again? He had the oil and he could make demands. We didn't want to play with him anymore so we kicked him out so we could have control of the oil In fact, securing the oil was a higher priority than securing a weapons dump. You can lift sanctions if the country obeys. Trading can continue and you can still continue to send people in to check on the weapons. There were plenty of other options to pursue. Yes, he was a stubborn dick head that could have made things easier, but that apparently wasn't his style. And, as we all saw during the debates, GW hates being challenged. The world is worse off because of Bush and his decisions. We are unsafe because of him. Did OBL ever make a threat to individual states before GW? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Iraq is out of control, a total mess. Afghan is the same way. The man we originally went to get is still free, and the Taliban and AQ are growing in numbers again. Our invasion of Iraq is like an open wound that is infected which allows it to be a breeding ground for contempt, anger and more terrorism. All from GWs decisions. Apparently since the terrorism hasn't been on your or GW's schedule, that means he has curbed it? They have time on their side. They can sit there, make threats, cause us to raise the threat level, spend millions on fake threats, cause the focus to be here meanwhile they regroup, heal, train, and grow in numbers in Pakastan, Afghan, Sudan, Phillipeans, etc. Terrorism isn't about ending freedom, its about terror! (duh?) It's not a constant attack, its the constant fear of attack they want us to have (something that Bush and Ridge have furthered). They feel that we will tire before they will and give up. Passion and nirvana drives them to annoy and scare us. They have the desire, motivation and interest to never stop; we just want to be able to get on an airplane without worries again. They want to be free of our influence, and they will terrorize us until that happens. So setting up a democracy in their neighborhood really pissed them off. OBL is still alive. Two threats against were made last week alone. How is that a better situation than before? Terrorism has not stopped. It has happened around the world. Just because it has not happened on our shores does not make it ok. Attacks like the ones in Spain have been fueld by the hatred of the west, and because of our invasion in Iraq, and the choices GW made. This is Bush's fault. He left OBL alive. He wrongfully invaded Iraq (you are honestly going to use a "what if" to justify a war and over 10,000 dead civilians when we only lost 3,000?) and fueld the hatred of thousands of new terrorists. His mishandling of troops, and the war in general has made Iraq unsafer than it has been in years. His screw up has left us a legacy of more terrorism. The world is unsafe from terrorism because of Bush. There is no hill to plant a flag upon in this war to declare victory. Bush treats this as that type of war. The terrorist don't want that prize....and that seems to escape him. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Examples please. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Just a few thoughts: CBS is owned by Viacom whos Chairman is a strong Bush supporter and is vocal about wanting him to win. NBC is owned by GE, one of the big biz that people bitch the GOP protects. ABC is owned by Disney, the company that refused to carry F911 Fox is owned by Murdoch, a known and very vocal republican. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Yup, That means no "Dick" and no "Bush". _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And the right never dances on Kerry's percieved inadequacies. Which happened because of GW and his decisions. Therefore, Bush helped join these men and now we have a bigger threat. Because it is too late for that victory. OBL should have been caught long before we decided to overthrow any other country. This man claimed responsiblity for an attack on our country and Bush says that he didn't care about him anymore. Now that OBL has been around to roam free he has even more influence - something that is directly connected to Bush turning his attention away from that part of the world to a war that shouldn't have been fought. Thus, terrorism is worse because of GWs decisions. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

All I will admit is that I will not be voting for the same party across the board tomorrow. There will be votes cast by me for more than one party. I believe in the balance of our system and think since we will have a Dem in office we should have a Republican Congress. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I don't see either candidate as a real option to bring safety to this country. Bush is reckless on many fronts and his record is just as suspect as Kerry's. However, Kerry has admitted he has made bad choices and then try to learn/fix those mistakes. Bush admitted on national tv he hasn't made one mistake in this war. Arrogance is deadly. It is the same as being complacent while skydiving. Bush had his chance. He had three years. Time is up, he is the weakest link. Goodbye! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And right back full circle to the grounding for a Cypress fire rule at Perris. No guarantees it will work. No guarantees it won't work, but at least, they are trying to do something about the lack of altitude awareness. Right. I said it at the start of this thread - I applaude the pro-active nature of this rule. At least they are doing something. However, I am still not sure it is the right path. Some may see it as a lesson, others may see it as a disclipinary action. Skydivers don't care too much to be told what to do, let alone in the sky. I'm worried about the negative reaction such a rule can have. Do I have the answer to the problem? Nope, if I did, I would have sent someone at Perris an email a long time ago. I'm just playing advocate here because I can really see this rule ending up causing more harm than good. But I really hope I am wrong. I'm curious how well things have gone since this rule went into effect? There has been a lot of jumping, any AAD fires? Or any news at all? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And thus implying that someone on the left should be ashamed they carry similar values as that man. As long as OBL is alive or free he will be able to recruit. He has survived the might of the strongest nation/military on the planet already, that is one hell of a recruiting tool. Bush already lost this point - he flip flopped over the importance of OBL, and now just days before the election he is on the air taunting the world again. He already won this battle, and it is a lose-lose no matter who wins tomorrow. Personally speaking, I want the one person who told the world that our #1 enemy was no longer any concern to us out of the position to make those decisions any more. Kerry has said he would focus more on getting OBL - somehow I don't think that OBL shares that reason for wanting Kerry in office with me or anyone else that leans to the left. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Since I have a friend that kills bunnies for a living in one of those drug companies, I can tell you I've had this discussion before. There are other ways to test some products to predict the desire outcome without animal testing. However, there is always a risk that both processes will not return the desired result. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

You really believe what you are saying, don't you? wow. Rather than make personal snipes, why don't you tell me where I'm wrong? The truth is that the Left and OBL will claim victory if Bush loses just as OBL will. This will also allow OBL to recruit more terrorists because he can claim he is such a great leader that he influenced the US Elections. How about this. I doubt you could find one American that would be proud to "have OBL on their side." I'll sound off first and say that I don't want to have anything to do with said individual. Hows that? Also, being someone that is a centrist but leans left, I can tell you that I don't wish death upon anyone. Many terrorism experts have come to the conclussion that Bush has helped with recruitment with the war in the middle east. He has proven that the warning the Muslim extremists cried for years was really true. So, depending on what spin you want to listen to, you could say OBL is on both sides. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

You really believe what you are saying, don't you? wow. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Well, that is a very interesting logical conclusion you have made there. Completely flawed, but interesting. Please explain....Are you denying OBL and the Left won't both claim victory if Bush loses, or are you denying the left doesn't hate Bush as much as OBL? I'm saying that those that are not voting for Bush would not claim to be proud to have anything in common with OBL. Btw - I hear OBL puts his socks on the same way you do, you must be proud to have him in your corner on such issues. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

My guess? He was being attacked by a cop. If he attacks back its bad news and could get him shot. So he ran not knowing what to do. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Well, that is a very interesting logical conclusion you have made there. Completely flawed, but interesting. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Isn't that what human studies of pills do? But that doesn't happen until we kill a bunch of bunnies and rats first. There is a set process to drug testing, but we don't have the abliitly to teach lessons by tossing rabbits out of planes with AADs to prove a point! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....