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You must have one humongous family room! Me and my friend Sladi VladBaast (sp?) are available if you need help with planet building. He's especially good with fjords. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I have to admit being an energy hog. We have pretty new and efficient applicances throughout, but the house is an older design (turn-of-the-century farmhouse) with all the usual gadgets (and then some). Paradoxically, I would no doubt need to add on to the house, or set up some pretty elaborate array of panels to get even close to meeting my energy needs. A friend of mine very knowledgeable in the field helped me run numbers. It would not come even close to paying off in my lifetime. Have to leave it for the next owner of the property to knock it down and go modern. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Ah yes, the three Abrahamic faiths. Responsible for more death, oppression, and useless guilt than any other human invention. The burden of our large frontal lobes and the desire to attach meanings when there aren't any is the price we pay for sentience. Life is full of trade-offs. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

You do know what happens when you back an irrational belief into a corner like that, don't you? Once you remove all the outs and dodges, they attack. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Actually, I'm hooked on it mostly because boson sounds a lot like bosom. (Well, the spelling is close anyway). The bible does mention bosoms, doesn't it? " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Oh come on; Tricky Dick the 2nd only shot one person, . . . and he just winged him. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

That idiot is an embarassment to our region. I'd go so far as to say that Bush and his spin doctors are masters of propoganda; better than the average professional politician. Hopefully stuff like that will help people see Ellison for what he is - the worst goofball we've sent to Washington since Bozo Wellstone. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Most of those are not new sources. That nit aside, we do need to keep working on developing safe, clean, renewable (or more accurately non-depleteable) energy sources. The fossil fuels will eventually be gone. Maybe not as fast as the doomsayers claim, but not that far into the future. Probably within our kids lifetimes, fossil fuel consuming engines will become obsolete. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

nonsense, we get the pedestal. We all started in the same scum. And we WON I think I'll go outside and flash my opposible thumb at some ducks walking by and laugh at them. would someone show me how to spell pedestal, pedastal, pedistle, pedistel..... Back to the pond with you, where the ducks are laughing at you in their own highly advanced non-verbal language. (That little tail feather wiggle thing means "I fart in your general direction.") " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I happen to be emotionally entrenched in the potential for detection of the Higgs. In fact, Massive Vector Boson is my word for the day. I was thinking of petitioning my Congreeman to have the day it's detected declared Higgs Day for all eternity. (Which from the Higg's perspective might be 1 X 10 to the -16th seconds). Now that's QUICK! " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I'm assuming you read this section of the article. But they had some interesting numbers that pointed to certain stages of evolution would have had to happen relatively rapidly to account for the timeline that scientists have created. Basically even the 4.6 billion years isn't enough to account for the change we claim has happend, unless it happened relatively quickly. Quickly in this context doesn't mean a couple generations. It's still a relatively long time compared to the lifespan of any single involved organism. Whenever that term is used to discuss topics like geology or evolution, it would be good if they gave at least orders of magnitude. Quickly in evolution is not the same as quickly in a 100 yard dash. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

You already answered that for them: Because they do not like the implications. It somewhat removes humans from their pedastal (though I disagree that it does - we still stand tall even if we share pond scum as a common ancestor). " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Interesting article on that site. Kinda misleading though the way they pose the questions in order to disqualify the common (and wrong) answers. How does evolution create change? It doesn't. Mutations create change, which is evolution. How does it work so quickly? It doesn't. And the 3rd question confuses (or appears to confuse) creation of life with evolution. It is likely not possible to create a boundary between a time of no life and the the first thing we might recognize as being alive. Evolution, as we define it nowadays, did not create life. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

. . . and built the pyramids, by going back in time, using the large black obilisk on the Moon. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Is this even possible in the near future with Global Warming and all? Not as long as we all have guns. Now the thread is complete. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Good Lord man, . . . why? " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

That was something. It was almost as good to see their flimsy bullshit blown completely out of the water as it was to see them exposed and caught outright lying about what they were doing and why. They denied under oath that ID had anything to do with wanting to teach creationism. Then the prosecution offers a copy of an early draft of their "text" in which they literally went thru it and crossed out all the occurences of creationism and replaced it with intelligent design. They must have forgot that was floating around. (I could imagine the lawyer leaning over and whispering to the defendant "I thought you said those were all destroyed?") Funny thing is, they went immediately into their usual form of denial. Come to think of it, they resemble a conspiracy more than anything else. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I see it as strong words, but not emotional. The statements, as well as the facts behind them, are highly logical - not emotional. That is one of the points alluded to in the thread. There is no room for emotion in the interpretation of evidence (ideally). When it does occur, or when science gets things wrong for any reason, it is exposed and corrected for upon discovery of new information or by repeating the experiments and observations. (Repeatability is big in science). Beleif systems based on emotions and desires, rather than objectivity and observation, may be very spiritually uplifting; but they are doomed to become bankrupt in their accuracy. The big happy solution (and the way to avoid such foolish arguements) is to keep the two separate. Stop trying to explain the natural world via ancient dogmatic belief systems. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

A very good book with that title (Just A Theory). A great read for all those that think all theories, or all ideas, are equally valid. Scientists do not ususally like to debate the psuedo-science crackpots. It's a tough job. The psuedos bring sensationalism, a pitchman's excitement, and an aura of entertainment. The scientist brings facts in the form of evidence and information. I think the science is amazing and opens up a world of awe and discovery. Unfortunately, the masses have been primed to prefer the pitchman's entertainment. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

The most tragic part is that there are people in high places *cough Bush cough* who incredibly say things like "Evolution - the jury is still out on that one isn't it?" Or maybe worse is that there are school boards still trying to force this stuff into the science curiculum. Now those folks should not be allowed to breed. As someone else pointed out, the level of arguement about it and the resistance to getting educated on the topic is a USA phenomenon. It is mostly a testament to the PR skills of the radical fundamentalists and their desire to prey on the ignorant masses. They throw out stuff like The Research Project at The Discovery Institute and people just eat it up. That place has never conducted a shred of scientific research. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Like the man said, wrong. You are focusing on traits selcected against. There are also traits selected for. Both are happening all the time, at the same time (from the perspective of long stretches of time). Selection as a whole does not reduce diversity. You also make the statement that as time goes on, diversification occurs. Sounds like you are arguing against your own logic there. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

In all the museums and universities and other various archives of the world, the number is probably in the millions; maybe tens of millions. But yes, those fixated with dogmatic beliefs reject anything that does not fit. Where science is self-correcting (Piltdown and heliocentrism being perfect examples of stuff that doesn't fit getting corrected by new evidence), dogmatic belief systems just dig themselves further in whenever their faith-based neliefs are contradicted by something like facts. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

That would be a miraculous occurence of the religious type, and I'm assuming you are being facetious. Animals do not evolve into each other, but they do have a common ancestor. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

All evolutionists have is a handful of "questionable" findings in this regard. There really should be a "mountain" of fossil evidence. I'd love to see it if you've got it. You must have hands the size of mountains! " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

My jaw has officially dropped. Try reading an actual biology book. Any biology book. Or visiting the fossil archives of any sizeable educational institution. Someplace other than the Discovery Institute. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley