JoeWeber
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Seriously, no. Now if his ear was nicked by a meteorite I'd be even more disappointed in our imprecise universe, that's for sure. But we should never want, or hope for, any of the ills of our country cured by political assassinations. That is especially true now that we've had such an odious, vindictive, and incompetent jackass like Trump spoiling our record of peaceful transitions.
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And he stopped Atlantic Basin Hurricanes, too!
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IDF fighters are bombing Lebanon now. It will be interesting to see what the next move is.
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They need to just get over it. The reality is that it's always been Jewish land: it is written.
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We have never done that in a similar act of terrorism. Oświęcim was another antagonists solution to a perceived problem. Good we defeated that, I'll guess you'll agree.
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No, I don't, and you missed the point. I listened to a report from a doctor at a Hospital in Beirut describing the injuries; at his hospital they received no fatalities. If the injuries he described are accurate then it seems to me that the pagers detonated at least a few seconds after buzzing. So it wasn't just sending a message there was an added element of cruelty as the hope was they'd have it in front of their faces and held in a hand. That I am not cool with.
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It's not that I don't get your point and maybe fighting terrorism with terrorism is the solution. Also, it's well known that battles between armies involve weapons that maim, not kill, as they take additional soldiers off the field. But from what I have heard the pagers didn't just go off at the hip. Many wounds were in the face and eyes and included the loss of fingers or a hand. That implies a buzz and then time to see the number. If true, that is unnecessarily cruel, I think.
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What Hamas did was horrific and defies understanding by civilized people. I suppose the citizens of Gaza should have known that Hamas would cause them to pay a terrible price eventually. Maybe flattening Gaza will have some good outcome beyond simple vengeance but I don't see it. In any case Israel had no choice but to respond militarily or sue for peace and that will never happen. Today another round of device explosions happened in Lebanon. Maybe we will shortly see if this softening of Hezbollah communications presages something bigger.
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Yes. I don't think anyone is arguing that collateral damage is unacceptable in every situation. In your example the rocket fired would have potentially killed or injured innocents and the terrorist was in the act of attempting to do just that. They'd be fair game, certainly, and tough luck for the kid. Maybe I'm too much of a namby pamby but I don't see that as equivalent to blindly detonating a bomb not having any guess who might be in the vicinity.
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And the Israeli track record is spotless? Do you happen to recall how much the nation of Israel paid for the land they now occupy and to whom?
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Dumb asses.
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John, in your opinion what gave those folks the inspiration to commit those acts?
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Intractable doesn't begin to describe the problem. I'm not opposed to killing bad actors who have it coming. Far from it. But I just don't think this sort of attack is helpful. The reality is that the killings will just go on and on until the parties of God no longer have a say in the outcome and our opinions here will matter as much then.
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Maybe, but when you attack with a weapon that is guaranteed to increase the size of your enemies military force you make a bad trade. By logical extension fire bombing Gaza and Lebanon makes better sense than tit for tat because when the final tally is made fewer innocent bystanders would be killed.
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We view this differently. The indiscriminate death and maiming of innocent people was the guaranteed result of this bit of cleverness. To my way of thinking, that alone means it was not worth the outcome.
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Not the parents fault if the parents give a parent purchased AR-15 to their kids.
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What about the innocent fruit stand guy unknowingly selling a Hezbollah guy an apple? Is he also a legitimate target? If so then why not simply fire bomb the whole shebang and end it now? Well, because it wouldn't end it now, it would only create more opposition, and that's the problem. Sure it was ingenious to make the pagers into bombs and as satisfying as it may be for some to know that hundreds of people, including some Hezbollah actors, are now maimed I am not one. I don't agree with the method because it blindly accepts the maiming and killing of innocent civilians to achieve a very short term gain.
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Agreed.
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When Israel controlled the Sinai David Ben Gurion sent the Jewish School of Archeology out to find the title deeds of Israel. They came back empty handed. No wandering, no nothing. If you are happy letting some other government give camping rights in your backyard to people who hate you more power to you. But let's not be surprised when others take exception.
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Thanks for the schooling. I ask again: Seriously, what would you do? Would you be a partisan or a willing peon?
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Negative. The point is that bombing a house and accepting that innocents might be killed is an appalling failing of humanity. That's Gaza. Now sending hundreds of bombs into another country to do that same is an horrific act of impersonal cruelty. The imposition of the state of Israel in the middle east has never been justifiable from a historical, not religious, perspective; no wonder the displaced residents are somewhat offended. Seriously, what would you do? Would you be a partisan or a willing peon?
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Jerry, I don't find any humor in this. If Israel is behind this, and it's only an if out of courtesy, they knowingly set off hundreds of small bombs designed to maim and kill understanding fully that innocents would be injured or killed in the operation. That is completely indefensible and by supporting Israel we, by extension, own a part of it. The United States needs to publicly condemn this act of indiscriminate terror and privately tell Israel they are now on a very short leash.
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Welcome aboard, I've been jamming pins in dolls for decades now and I highly recommend the practice. I have two perfect outcomes logged and several satisfactory results. Even if the ill that befalls the subject can be attributed to coincidence you still feel great doing it. Two thumbs up, for sure.
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He said he had an MBA. He didn't say whose it was
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And by god that's the standard. Hopes and prayers for other folks, as always.
