JoeWeber

You aren't being picked on for your opinions. I have been pointing out that just stating things without explanation isn't really an opinion. No matter, I accept your challenge. Your statements are in bold. My opinion on your statements is below your statements. My original questions to you for each of your statements are in Italics below for reference. These are my real opinions. If you have any I'm all eyes. Raise the age on purchases of non-hunting firearms, We should raise the age of non-hunting firearms to 21. Also, the purchaser must have a specific, verifiable need ie.. a job where they carry cash, are law enforcement, are at risk of attack or kidnapping because of personal profile or some other provable need. Training and certification in the use of said weapon should be both initial and bi-annual. Verification/certification/training can be provided by a local State Police agency. Money for the services that can't be covered by the individual should be Federally funded. Please give the proposed age. Please describe the non-hunting firearm. 21 years. Any non-revolver pistol, any pistol, rifle or shotgun that can fire or be made to fire in faster than semi-automatic mode. Any firearm capable internally or by clip of holding more than 5 rounds. This limitation would also make illegal for general hunting use so called "hi cap mags". tighten up the application process, 21 years age minimum to purchase. A record of no violent felonies and no mental health issues that were treated by a professional. Both waivable with State Police certification pursuant to a written national standard. How so? Two forms of ID? FBI background check? Firearms training certification? See above. hammer anyone caught making a straw purchase Anyone caught buying or selling a "straw purchase" firearm could be denied the right to own firearms for a period of time commensurate with the crime. How so? Fines? Who does the hammering and what is the process? See above. (maybe some law that says after buying X? firearms a year one has to prove they still have them in their possession, No limitation on the number of firearms purchased provided the above limitations and conditions were met. What value is X? 10? 100? How frequent are the checks? How is that done? Are you suggesting that gun registration is necessary? See above have paperwork documenting the transfer, or if lost or stolen a police report is required), All new and used weapon sales should be registered at the point of sale. Again, are you tacitly arguing that some form of gun registration is necessary? see above. mandatory severe jail time if caught with a stolen firearm, Without 100% firearms registration this would be both unfair and unenforceable. Again, are you supporting registration? After all, we're talking about someone's freedom here. See above. laws requiring owners to be more responsible with managing/storing the weapon, Current, locally promulgated laws are sufficient provided the above conditions and limitations are met. Fine. Please describe the law. For sure you wouldn't hold me and my buddies in our Elk camp tent to the same standard of care as a parent with kids at home? What scale of detail are you thinking? See above. confiscation if mental health becomes an issue, red flag laws, Yes. A State Police mental health authority until a better, fairer system is developed. Great. Where would you invest that authority? See above significantly higher training requirements to obtain a concealed weapons permit and ongoing training to keep it, Yes, subject to the above listed conditions and limitations. To wit: No mandatory by local laws concealed weapon permits allowed. Any issued permits would be subject to the conditions and limitations listed above. Please detail "significantly higher". See above. liability laws/exposure for dealers that make errors, No. Errors by sellers should be forgivable. Frauds and laws ignored should be judicially punishable. Like errors and omissions insurance? License suspension? Specifically what are the "errors" and who will decide? See above. strengthen the requirements to obtain and retain an FFL license by requiring a minimum number of transactions per year Yes and no. The requirements for the issuance and possession of a license to sell non-hunting firearms should be so stringent as to be a surprising rarity. That should solve the numbers problem. requiring all current FFL holders to sell lots more dangerous guns really a good solution? Just which guns are they selling that makes selling many more a societal benefit? See above special application process for any long gun that can hold more than xx rounds in a magazine, See above. What is xx? 10? 30? How many of each should a user own? See above for both answers. shotguns that hold more than 6 rounds should be considered assault weapons, No. See above. This one is a surprise. Not for the number 6 but because you apparently do have a definition of an assault weapon in mind. Please explain. limit mag capacity with pistols to 10-12 rounds, Subject to the above. Seems a reasonable number, I guess Subject to the above mandatory prison sentence of 10 years for any crime committed with a gun, etc. etc. No, because I generally oppose mandatory sentences. I absolutely agree that there should be a severity added at sentencing. Why 10 years? And would you distinguish between the types of guns? No. See above.

I missed nothing, thanks. Please direct my attention to where you answered any of the questions after post #1559. And, no, the one where you claimed it was a fill in the blanks statement for someone else somewhere, sometime, and not something you were offering as your own honest opinion, doesn't count.

Every Republican who posts here needs to reflect on these easily provable facts. The smoke filled back room is now the fresh air of a chat room. No longer will your party of choice be able to pull off their anti-democratic, ideologically vacant, self serving power grabs that oppose the will of a clear majority of Americans all while hidden safely away from the light of day. That's over. Most importantly, you will never again be able to pretend you didn't know, that you couldn't know, either because they're all crooks and everybody does it, or owing to whatever other narcotic you are using to block out reality. That day is done. They are lying. It is provable. How they vote, and what they say in private, is available to everyone in real time online, where you obviously are if you are reading this, and if you continue to deny that truth it means you are lying, too. There it is, sport fans, and that is why many on the left are so pissed and impatient: the right thinks we are still somehow obligated to treat obvious bullshit as reasonable positions for discussion. Well, no thanks. The Republican party of today are thieves, liars, and charlatans. They care first about harming Democrats and a distant second about the people they represent. The mid-terms are coming; you'll never get a better chance to prove you aren't a pawn in their insidious larger game. Or just say it out loud: I don't give a fuck about America or other Americans if I get mine while I'm alive.

All good questions? You're bold, I'll give you that. How about answering the questions made in post #1559 that followed the undefined statements you made earlier where you were attempting to show, and failing, that you were on board with gun control. Sounding reasonable is nice and polite, but in a serious discussion putting meat on the bones of your positions such that your correspondents are clear is the standard. For convenience: Bill, indeed I have but maybe that's through a lack of clear understanding on my part. Let's look at your ideas and maybe you can add some clarity for me. Raise the age on purchases of non-hunting firearms, Please give the proposed age. Please describe the non-hunting firearm. tighten up the application process, How so? Two forms of ID? FBI background check? Firearms training certification? hammer anyone caught making a straw purchase How so? Fines? Who does the hammering and what is the process? (maybe some law that says after buying X? firearms a year one has to prove they still have them in their possession, What value is X? 10? 100? How frequent are the checks? How is that done? Are you suggesting that gun registration is necessary? have paperwork documenting the transfer, or if lost or stolen a police report is required), Again, are you tacitly arguing that some form of gun registration is necessary? mandatory severe jail time if caught with a stolen firearm, Again, are you supporting registration? After all, we're talking about someone's freedom here. laws requiring owners to be more responsible with managing/storing the weapon, Fine. Please describe the law. For sure you wouldn't hold me and my buddies in our Elk camp tent to the same standard of care as a parent with kids at home? What scale of detail are you thinking? confiscation if mental health becomes an issue, red flag laws, Great. Where would you invest that authority? significantly higher training requirements to obtain a concealed weapons permit and ongoing training to keep it, Please detail "significantly higher". liability laws/exposure for dealers that make errors, Like errors and omissions insurance? License suspension? Specifically what are the "errors" and who will decide? strengthen the requirements to obtain and retain an FFL license by requiring a minimum number of transactions per year requiring all current FFL holders to sell lots more dangerous guns really a good solution? Just which guns are they selling that makes selling many more a societal benefit? special application process for any long gun that can hold more than xx rounds in a magazine, What is xx? 10? 30? How many of each should a user own? shotguns that hold more than 6 rounds should be considered assault weapons, This one is a surprise. Not for the number 6 but because you apparently do have a definition of an assault weapon in mind. Please explain. limit mag capacity with pistols to 10-12 rounds, Seems a reasonable number, I guess. mandatory prison sentence of 10 years for any crime committed with a gun, etc. etc. Why 10 years? And would you distinguish between the types of guns?

100% of Ice Cream Truck drivers do not holler "Melted Ice Cream! Get your melted ice cream here!" Credulity is not a virtue, no matter your dedication to the proposition. Except in their personal fantasy lands, 1/3rd of gun owners have not needed a gun for genuine defensive purposes. No one, except the most deluded straw graspers, could ever believe that was true even if every third buddy in their duck blind swore to it on spitted palm.

Is someone riding my horse? Grab a static line, thats a hangin' offense.

Good information and it's always great hearing from Slim. Now, back to the war: Ukraine, after feinting the long awaited counter attack in the Kherson Region, poured through Russian lines near Kharkiv and are pushing fast towards the Russian border. Surely they'll soon turn North and South to widen the salient, consolidate the gains, and resupply but there is no doubt the Russians are once again proving incompetent at war fighting while the Ukrainians are showing real ability. For 6 months the Ukrainians have allowed their Territorial Defense Forces (TDF) to bear the brunt of holding the Russians to a minimum of gains while they trained their regular forces in combined arms tactics and the use of Western arms. This is the result of that long game. My hope is that all who thought it was good money wasted in Ukraine will now agree it was a great investment in World Democracy and resolve to do more right now.

Not to worry, it's just your solar magnetic murmer acting up. All we need to do is pump out a little bit extra CO2 and things will warm back up to the predicted Jupitertonian di-doppler equilibrium for a decade or so. In the meantime, and it shouldn't be hard, someone just needs to figure out what to do with the extra CO2 when the cosmic magnetometer stops reading salubrious and starts reading paddle.

Man, that is eye opening. By 2019 the average Republican had a life expectancy of almost 775 years and the average Democrat was lucky to make it to 660 years. Nothing to do but admit we were wrong and try to learn from it. Thanks for sharing, Bill.

And don't forget to scream in patriotic delight!

Perhaps, but there can be healing through having the baby.

I know you wouldn't argue against it, not for a second. I was wondering what Kleggo was thinking, it was his notion.

Good news for all who believe assault style weapons are unfairly demonized. "As many as six, but possibly as few as two people, have been shot in Uvalde's downtown Memorial Park, Sen. Roland Gutierrez confirms, an epicenter of grief after the May 24th shooting," Plohetski reported. "Police are looking for a shooter, who is not thought to have used an assault rifle."

Instead of all things to all comers it ought to be more like “I don’t know, Aunt Polly is pretty particular about who starts AFF.”

They're just jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire, seems to me. Bear in mind you aren't alone in the world, although imagining you in a basement running strings from misunderstood graphs to unread articles all pinned to a wall is my current mental picture, so there are likely many, may others who would believe there ain't no use in tryin'.

Umm.. Er... But they haven't hit Biloxi so they don't count!

I just knew you'd do that again. Don't be getting all particular, as you've been apprised here frequently, climate science isn't the same for everyone everywhere. Sort of, we're all climate scientists and get to choose our own data, time frames, and feelings. Make sense? For example, and I'll go slow for you, the Earth has been a cohesive ball of cosmic goobers for around 4.5 Billion years - I'm not complaining. And indisputably, unless you're Deepak Chopra, we're each and all here on that ball each counting the days in different ways. Make sense?

Maybe. He was convicted previously, and sentenced to 14 days in the slammer, for trespassing at the January 6 Republican prayer meeting at the Capitol. I'll get excited when one or two of our congress and senator critters get 14th'd into the history books.

Texas by the numbers. (it ain’t pretty) #1 in total rapes. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/rape-statistics-by-state #5 in highest home insurance rates. https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/insurance/home-insurance-texas #1 in mass shootings. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2022-05-27/states-with-the-most-school-shootings #1 in uninsured. https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/2020/oct/uninsured.php #1 in Rural hospital closings. https://kvia.com/news/texas/stacker-texas/2021/12/09/texas-is-the-1-state-with-the-most-rural-hospital-closures-since-2005/ #21 in electricity and #5 in highest monthly bills. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deregulation_of_the_Texas_electricity_market #34 in college tuition. https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college-by-state #45 in property taxes. https://www.rocketmortgage.com/learn/property-taxes-by-state #45 in health care access. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care #35 in quality education. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education #38 in school funding. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education #49 in teacher benefits. https://cmf.houstonchronicle.com/news/legislature/article/Texas-and-Louisiana-rank-lowest-in-teacher-17274217.php #44 in prenatal care. https://www.americashealthrankings.org/learn/reports/2019-health-of-women-and-children-report/state-rankings-measures-clinical-care-infants #49 in living standards. https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Texas-CNBC-study-17307362.php #50 in mental health. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/04/1103075887/texas-ranks-last-in-mental-health-care-among-u-s-states #50 in mental health access. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/may/25/beto-orourke/recent-report-put-texas-last-among-states-and-dc-m/ #37 in poverty. https://www.welfareinfo.org/poverty-rate/texas/ https://bayareahouston.net/2022/09/05/texas-by-the-numbers-it-aint-pretty/

There are memes for everything; perpetuating, and exaggerating, old "just a bit" of truths in an area you are without expertise isn't helpful. The reality is the Turbine and Tandem era has raised the bar pretty much everywhere substantially. Few people let $1.5 Million dollar airplanes degrade in value owing to poor maintenance. Large DZ's doing north of 40,000 slots per years with 10 month skydiving seasons can afford it based on slots flown. Smaller Turbine DZ's with shorter seasons need a solid Tandem business to do it right. It's the DZ's that aren't making money that worry me.

Whatever the thread is called, this forum is going to hell in a hand basket.

That is an overly broad statement. Not every operator has junk airplanes although there are some real embarrassments out there. Yes, most have some years on them but well maintained and with modern engines and upgraded avionics they are as safe as new. Also, at least one operator Ray Ferrell bought 5 new PAC 750's into skydiving.

Like lead pipes and asbestos? Your libertarian pretense isn’t well thought out.

Is it too soon to predict his future?

Mod's, are we there yet?