JoeWeber

You want off the hook, you're barking up the wrong tree. The entirety of your position, no matter how you attempt to reasonablize it, leaves women at the mercy of some kind of personal savior, her doctor or father for example. Regardless of your conclusions about the effectiveness of birth control having not reduced the numbers of abortions you must know that is nonsense. For you life is sacred, but lets get upfront about why: your Christian faith. For me life is the defining thing about not just the existence of our own transitory species but the entirety of the, as thus far determined, uniqueness of planet earth. Until proven otherwise we are it. So maybe you got nothing else but I, and those who think like me, have a lot else. Peace and love.

Now that's patriotic. What's the inspirational life's message you would be sending to your kids: get your way or don't play? The good life is where you get the choices you want and if not fuck 'em all?

Apparently not, that's the real issue.

Thank you for getting me on track. Appreciated.

Some, sure, if for no other reason that negative consequences come from every negotiation. But let's not circle around here, given a chance against the absurdity that is theological Republican politics Democrats would restore the right.

Thank you, it's sort of my speciality. It must be suspected that in a world that offered abortions only of the highest medical standard that women will suffer and die in the process. Probably a very tiny number, sure, but I was simply acknowledging that truth and owning it.

Being less extreme than the most extreme does not make one a moderate. Your fetal heartbeat position is touch-feely, no more. Pointing out the "47" types of birth control and summing it up with a demand to be responsible is a thin justification and blaming the Democrats for not codifying abortion against the odiferous republican obstruction against codifying it is simply not an attractive point to make. Republicans did this 100% and as a "moderate" Republican you own a chunk of it.

Yes, it would. But the position is based on logic, science, common sense, and a belief in self determination. Being pro-abortion keeps no woman from not having the procedure. It does not make abortion mandatory; the anti-abortion position can make no similar claim.

I think that's over parsing the situation. The anti-abortion position holds to every harm caused to any woman and also to the potential harm done to all women. In my opinion, it simply can not be argued that the position does not create a diminution of rights for all women. Worse, it is a position nearly invariably adopted owing to subservience to a particular theological mysticism. Rape is rape even if either of the parties are infertile and the anti abortion position reduces the agency of all women.

It was right up until I grew tired of the pretense. For example, and forgive me if I'm in error, you are anti-abortion because you see it as the cruel and theologically uninformed taking of innocent life, right? That the position effectively condemns half of humanity to the animal cycle of reproduction and vests them with vastly fewer absolute human rights is secondary. How is that reasonable?

I wouldn't say that of Biden. No matter, so I can locate the goal posts, who would you offer up as fit for office and who served reasonably well?

Sure and because I only kick medium to large size dogs I'm a moderate asshole?

How can you not get it? Wendy laid it out clearly and succinctly. We can't do a comprehensive analysis every post, right? Republican economic policy and absurd huge tax cuts for the morbidly rich are the biggest contributors followed closely by Bush's wars. Honestly, when I look at how a minority of selfish, not too smart, demagogues, in low population Christian Red stated are able to hold the nation hostage on so many issues I too think going home and playing video games sounds like a fine plan. The real thinkers aren't on your team, brother, come on over.

I think you're wrong, yes, and that's the problem. I am completely over the "reasonable Republican" schtick.

Maybe not, but it does have a ring to it.

Good idea. I'm on it.

CNN reports that Trump was indicted on 7 counts. Thoughts and prayers, of course.

So on a 1 to 10 scale how would you grade yourself as a Republican moderate?

Absolutely. She should be there daily wearing body armor with her name on front written with a sharpie.

Also so sayeth Bloomberg. You've heard of them, yes?

Yeppers, he's a consequential President in a very positive way. Unfortunately, there is seemingly no daylight between what is actually happening and what some folks are apparently programmed to believe. Our own airdvr and BillE constantly defend right wing talking points with answers like "people are saying" etc. as if that's enough to make us believe that after reading from cover to cover Mother Earth News they haven't any time at all for OAN reruns. I'm actually surprised that no poster here has yet confirmed that they heard it through the grapevine. (Ooo, I bet you're wonderin' how I knew) And now, as you've observed, that we're in a Bull Market the twisting and turning will be such that power could be produced if it was harnessed. (Note to you BillE, you're a power guy.) Lastly, to a larger point, this recovery is unlike any in recent times. Interest rate investments are making money, jobs are to be had at increased wages, and now the stock market is turning up in a solid way. And on top of that, for all of you ostensible flag waving American Patriots,: we're at war and Biden is a wartime President who rebuilt NATO after Trump and to date we are seriously eroding Russian Military effectiveness for decades to come. Additionally lastly, maybe some people should stop and take a look at the larger geopolitical picture and grasp that they are either fueling our enemies intentions to weaken American democracy or, sadly, flat out being used for the purpose by their constant niggling and outright degradations of our sitting President.

Large Ukrainian offensive started in the direction of Tokmak. This may be the start.

But that's not his point. The point was that airdvr tossed out an opinion without an iota of support and kallend was simply spelling iota for him.

Proof positive that the FDA and every other Federal Agency of the Deep State are as wrong as climate scientists and need to go.

Agreed. This must come with details and lots of them.