Darius11

Ready for this Ron. I see your pointt. If what you described happened. That the marine tried to get the man playing dead to surrender or show any sign of life and he still played dead then the shot is justified in my eyes. Simple reason being that in the marines mind he was shooting an already dead man. If that was the case I see your point. I know I said I was done with this thread but after you explanation I thought it would be fair for me to say If what you described happened then I am wrong for thinking it was a murder. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The Princess Bride Quote I just lost some respect for you I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Rons adds Agreed on your two points. I still think shooting that man was not the right thing to do. He was unarmed and was not booby-trapped. I don’t think the assumptions of a booby-trap gives the right to murder. Blind loyalty will hurt this country not help ***Blind hatred will not help it either.*** Agreed Oh well I am done with this thread. Have a good weekend Edit: Sorry Bill I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I can’t give him a hard time. I think every one is being a little bit holier-than-thou here. I know lots of woman/men some woman I have first hand experience that find the next guy before they even brake up with the guy there dating right now. You know the one you flirt with and talk to then the sec you brake up you knows who you’re calling. Fuck there is a bunch of people on here that seem to be dating and changing partners very frequently. I don’t see any thing wrong with that If he was cheating on his GF then yea that would be fucked up. Edit: This is for everyone not just you mouth i just used your post I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Was the guy on the ground injured? Yes Were they unarmed? Yes Did the Marine shoot the guy at point blank range in the back of the head? Yes Were the marines being shot at from the same location? Yes Are the marines in harms way? Yes Do we train are marines not to make mistakes under pursuer? Yes When a mistake is made should they be rightfully punished? Yes Do you think a US military judge well go softer on a US marine then one that is not part of the same team? Yes Is it wrong to execute a combatant who is not armed or is injured? Yes Witch one of these facts do you not agree with? So tell me what am I missing from the tactical satiation? I really want to know how this can be justified You seem to forget in this country we are allowed to have are own opinion. No matter how many times you want to say I hate this country it will not work. When you have someone you love who has a problem or has made a mistake do you close your eyes and pretend you don’t see any thing? Or do you face them and do what a good friend would do even if it would make them mad, or hurt them. I choose to admit are mistakes so we can improve. Only when mistakes can be admitted is their room for growth. Blind loyalty will hurt this country not help. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Thats not what anyone said...We have said that unless you have been a soldier, you have no clue to the situation...You may make uneducated quesses and play "Chairborne Ranger" all you like...Just don't expect anyone to care. Quote Actually I do care and he made very good points. The only people who don’t care are the ones like your self who still haven’t been able to admit we started this war under false reasons. The whole world knows that, yet the few of you who never seem to see reason as a valid point still argue even about that. So whose opinion shouldn’t matter someone who tries to understand what actually happened with the facts present, or someone who is 100% sure of him self 100% of the time. I don’t know I still like to THINK I have never seen you, Rhino, and a few others ever admit any fault of the US. are solder never wrong? Because you are a marine you never can be a rapist, murderer, just an all around scumbag? Grow up. Your GI Joe pride is blinding you'r since of reality. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I don’t know man if you come in to my country, come in to my town, then come in and blast 3 of my buddies who were unarmed. I think I would just do my best to live. Playing dead doesn’t sound like a bad idea when the only purpose that solder served was as an executioner. Now if he had done what he was supposed to ever heard of POWs. Then the guy who was murdered should have raised his hand if he could he was injured after all and said hey I give up, or hey I was just in here and not one of the guys shooting at you. We take the chance of explaining any thing away when we shoot first and ask questions later. The Marine was wrong and should have been punished period. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

How a bout The little condom that couldn’t I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Good lord man, grow up. Yes I am just immature Why do I even bother I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Darius, I respect your opinion,even though I agree with very little of it..........as an Iranian-American you obviously choose to live and work here for some reason(s)?*** I love this country and it's people and would die to protect it. I consider here home. That doesn't mean I have to agree with the war or are tactics. That’s what makes this country great. If I were in Iran I would have been shot or imprisoned about 2000 posts ago. I love this country that’s why I am passionate about expressing my view on what I think is right. I think the marine should have been punished and by not punishing him I think we are discrediting all the solders that are doing outstanding things in Iraq. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

True, but not hard to set off an IED. but that was not the case either. Soooooooooooooooooooooo your admiting your wrong???????????????? Gravity i think i will need another box wanna send them to me I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

We call ALL of the folks trying to kill folks "insurgents". We call ALL of the folks not trying to kill folks "Citizens". The funny thing here is that you actually had to explain that to her Let me Explain this to the both of you cause you seemed very confused and for some the reason just don’t get the point. If Citizens try to kill you does that make them insurgents? If you answer yes then your just dead wrong no matter how much you don’t want to admit it. If you answer no, and we know that there is some rebellion from Iraqis then why is every attack by insurgents? Is the media forgetting to check everyone’s passports or are we just more comfortable calling who ever tries to kill us Insurgents? I hope that makes it clear for the both of you (Darius puts away crayons) I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

hmmmm that doesn't make sense either. From what I have seen on TV and from people that I have talked to that were on leave from the military most of the Iraqi's are not a part of the insurgents. You say most not all right? I wonder why we call ALL of them insurgents I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Christelsabine: I have found that very little of what you say makes any sense( and that has nothing to do with your english) but this makes the least amount of sense. Where did you get that the US considers all Iraqi's as insurgents? Quote Well any one who stands against our troops that’s what we call them so I guess that’s where he gets it from. I never hear them called a group who is not for the invasions or freedom fighters do you? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Cingular I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I just don't understand how you can bitch about one sides actions, but not about the others. Quote Simple I hold us to a much higher standard then I do a murderer. I don't view us as fanatics who have no regard for human rights. I think by supporting the few bad apples we have just because of pride. We are endangering are integrity as a country. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

If the insurgents aren't going to follow the rules, why should the US? Quote Because we are claiming to be better then them aren't we? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes I did know even if you do assume that I didn't. Do you know how many innocent people we have killed as collateral damage? Do you know the reason we started this war in the first place? Do you know we were wrong? Do you know there is a lot of people out there much more dangerous then Sadam? Do you know we supported Sadam during the Iran and Iraq war when it was convenient for us? Do you know we supported OBL when it was convenient? Do you know OBL didn't change over night he did the same thing when we supported him? No rights for woman, and he was a terrorist but at that time we called them freedom fighters because they were fighting the evil Russians. I have a lot of “Do you knows” want to hear more? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Ya know that according to the Geneva that you can't use a house of worship as a base for combatQuote Come on Ron your not trying to say all of a sudden we The United States of America start giving a flying fuck about the rules of war. Oh wait isn't there something in there about not killing unarmed people who are not a threat? Or how about executing an injured man. Oh I forgot we only follow the rules of war when it is convenient for us right. Isn't there another word for that what is it.....................oh hypocrisy that’s it I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That sentance doesn't make any sense. From the referenced article: If you shoot at a bunch of marines and then hide, expect to get killed if and when they find you. It wasn't racially motivated, it was war. Get over it. We make decisions in life. The decisions we make have consequences. When we make mistakes we should pay for them not get a pat on the back. The fact that a block away there was a booby-trap doesn’t give you the license to kill UNARMED or injured people when you feel like it. Here I fixed it for you. I am sure my misspelling of one word had made it impossible for you to understand so I hope that helps. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Darius,it's too bad that you have only the media to rely upon for the situation in Iraq...........Most of the Iraqi's dont hate us,most of the US troops are NOT racists and most DO value life other than American..... Here, let me wring out that crying towel for you Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 *** Keep your towel we will need to clean the innocent blood we spill of off our hands. You know you are right I do get sad when I hear innocent people get murdered/killed. I care more about human life then I do about gas prices. I also value human life regardless of color, or religion. So this solder who according to the article posted on this thread killed 3 other unarmed people and executed an injured man is a good representation of all are solders? I fucking hope not. I refuse to believe that. And if he is not a good representation of our solders and he did make a mistake or just didn’t give a fuck because the people he shot aren’t US citizens shouldn’t he be punished? Is that so hard to understand? You can’t have it bought ways. Just FYI I don’t believe a word on TV. If I did I would be one of the many mislead supporting this war. Thank God I am not. I sleep well at nights how about you? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

There, fixed it for ya. insurgents: Rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party. I don't see raising agents an invading country/Army anywhere in the dictionary definition do you? Oh yea and that’s not Al jazeer dictionary either it is on dictionary.com I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I'm simply saying that it should be no suprise that judges from the US excuse a US soldier, when there is room to spin the deed. Quote Didn't we just pass a law or something where American solder can not be tried for war crimes by any other government but us? They hate us because were free not that we are filled with hypocrisy or our arrogance. Not that we kill unarmed people then say good job to the murderers. Not that our actions show that we are racists, but we do value life American ones only. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

This didn't raise any flags oh wait they were unarmed brown people i forgot that makes it ok in some eyes. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain