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[reply Not at all. It merely indicates she is like every other Washington politician - selling her vote to the highest bidder, rewarding those who support her politically, taking revenge on those who don't etc. I have no doubt that the right wing will continue to worship her as an "agent of change" though. So you're saying Barry & Joe do that too? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. Thanks...you made me laugh...seriously. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Here in Brownstown we somehow think a field goal is worth 7 points. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I'm in agreement with you. This nitpicky stuff on Palin, while humerous, is missing the point ...the point that you right wing guys have fucked our country for 8 years and should not be allowed to continue.

This over-simplistic view of the government's ills is wearing thin. Last time I checked there were 535 other folks slighly involved. Oh...and that would be #41. Be sure to exhibit incessant anger at America and Americans in general and rage at conservatives, centrists and anyone who doesn't agree with your ideas. http://alohahawaii.home.att.net/leftwing.html Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Oh I read it alright. Do you honestly beleve that Sarah Palin is alone in this respect? That this wouldn't describe many politicians today, regardless of party? Edited to add: I find it hilarious that you guys just keep trying to find something, anything on Palin. Don't you realize you're making it easier for everyone to empathize with her plight? This is playing out just like McCain's advisors predicted. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Careful now...that ice looks pretty thin from where I'm standing. http://dartreview.com/archives/2000/10/30/ten_things_you_cant_say_in_america.php In Chapter One he vanquishes the absurd, yet common, belief held today by minorities and the majority alike that little has changed since the civil rights movement. 'By nearly any measure,' says Elder, 'the right to vote, to use public accommodations, to attend a state college or university if qualified—the 'civil rights' struggle, thank God, is over.' He chastises black leaders such as NAACP chairman Julian Bond and Atlanta mayor Bill Campbell for continuing to fight 'a war long since won while ignoring far more pressing issues.' Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes Whoa! That's a new wrinkle on politics Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Where do the similarities end? Reagan gets blamed for the problems with an Act he signed. Clinton doesn't get blamed with the problems with an Act he signed. Either both should be blamed or neither should be blamed. Wow...this really works. Ummm...that would be #51 You must never be willing to take the consequences of your own actions or words or expect your confederates to do the same as long as you can unjustly lay the blame on someone else. But, of course, it is critical that you demand that people who don't agree with your ideas be held to strict adherence of taking the consequences of their actions.http://alohahawaii.home.att.net/leftwing.html Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I think he said working. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I think you're all missing the point on this one. If it's true, and I doubt we'll ever know for sure, why is Barry even talking with anyone about this? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Spoken like a true BUSH deadender... Ummm...I think you missed with that one. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Why dont you take a long look in the mirror and START with YOUR current administration that promised so much and delivered so little instead of having to go back to the trite CDIF.. as usual. Nice redirect. I beleive that's #33 in the handbook. You have to remember that nobody but your adversaries, real or imagined are ever to blame for anything and no one should ever be accountable or held responsible for their words or actions - they're just misunderstood or some such sociological mumbo-jumbo. Blaming without offering solutions is the typical modus operandi of Elitist Leftwing Liberals. http://alohahawaii.home.att.net/leftwing.html Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Nope...that would be #24 Whenever demonstrated facts don't agree with your agenda, twist them and mangle them until you can make them fit into your prejudices, the media will assist you greatly. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

No problem. www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3332571#3332571 Let's see...I beleive that's Commandment #22 You must always ignore the message and attack the messenger. When stuck, remember the tactic that won't reveal to other Elitist Leftwing Liberals your unwillingness to rebut the issue under discussion or your inability to think or say anything original: smugly change a couple of your adversaries' words, parrot and repeat their comments back to them verbatim and even if it isn't true, by all means always be sure to accuse your opponents of using the very tactics the Elitist Leftwing Liberals try to hide, remembering all the while that Unca Lenin would be proud as punch.http://alohahawaii.home.att.net/leftwing.html Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

So you take a story about respect for service members and try to turn it into a partisan political comment? Real classy. I served two tours in Afghanistan and was severely wounded and disabled at the end of the second by a suicide bomber. Care to guess who I support for POTUS? Thank you for your sacrifice. I appreciate it. Most of your country appreciates it, with the exception of a few asshats. I would only care to guess who you support if you had been one of the people on that plane denegrating soldiers. I'm certain they were card carrying conservatives. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Tell me which part of my statement is spin? I agree it's slimy. So was getting a blowjob from an intern and sticking a cigar in her pussy, while claiming his administration would be the most ethical in the history of the Republic. Do you really want to get into citing examples of slimy acts of politicians? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Funny. I know you'd like to go back to 1950 but aid doesn't equal commiting troops to a shooting war. That didn't happen in appreciable numbers until 1962. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No troops committed at Dien Bien Phu? Forgive me for assuming you meant US troops. Whose troops were you referring to? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

What does your question have to do with US troops? You asked who started the war. I just love it when you split hairs like that. . YOU ask the wrong question and somehow it's MY fault? Try as you might you you can't use semantics to turn this one. Classic passive-aggressive. You ask a question, I respond and you ignore. You implied there were US troops commited at Bien Dien Phu. I'm not aware of any. You're lack of response indicates you can't support your claim, and then you try to re-direct. Is that part of the Lib handbook? I never asked who started the war. I know who committed troops in large numbers, thereby escalating what had been mostly foriegn aid and a scattering of advisors to a full shooting war. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Wow. Just wow. I wonder who those people support for POTUS? Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

What does your question have to do with US troops? You asked who started the war. I just love it when you split hairs like that. You and everyone else knows what was meant by my statement. I suppose JFK just had to go along with Ike. Bottom line is until 1962 we weren't actively involved in a shooting war and hadn't commited troops en masse. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

No troops committed at Dien Bien Phu? I bet you think WWII started in Dec 1941, and WWI in April 1917, too. Very parochial. March 30-May 1 - The siege at Dien Bien Phu occurs as nearly 10,000 French soldiers are trapped by 45,000 Viet Minh. French troops soon run out of fresh water and medical supplies. The French urgently appeal to Washington for help. The U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff now consider three possible military options: sending American combat troops to the rescue; a massive conventional air strike by B-29 bombers; the use of tactical atomic weapons. President Eisenhower dismisses the conventional air raid and the nuclear option after getting a strong negative response to such actions from America's chief ally, Britain. Eisenhower also decides against sending U.S. ground troops to rescue the French, citing the likelihood of high casualty rates in the jungles around Dien Bien Phu. No action is taken. http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index-1945.html As has been demonstrated here before I'm not above mistake. However, I was never aware of appreciable number of US troops at Dien Bien Phu. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

That spin is so great I'm surprised the author hasn't drilled himself into the ground. I guess we'll just have to wait for the official Snopes/Factcheck ruling. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

Blaming the French now? Funny. I know you'd like to go back to 1950 but aid doesn't equal commiting troops to a shooting war. That didn't happen in appreciable numbers until 1962. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne

I never thought we would allow our children to go thru the same stupidity brought to us by the same people.. Maybe you should research who started the Vietnam war. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne