The111

Three people now have said something about better visuals. Can somebody please explain? See attached photo which shows top guy's FOV. He can't see past the guy under him if everybody is lined up. In real life the line won't be perfect, so he will see bits and pieces of everyone else in the stack. But this is no different or better than what he would see in a vertical stack. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Tolerance is the main thing here. To the OP: a burble is not a discrete thing that occupies a discrete space. If you are flying directly above somebody, your feet are probably flirting with the edge of their burble at times. That's no fun, nor is it practical. Not sure I understand the better visibility. The top guy in a perfect vertical stack, or a perfect tilted stack, will in either case see nothing but the guy below him. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Not a BASE jumper, so flame away, but I wonder in general why anybody would open close to an object in a wingsuit. Can't you use the wingsuit to... get far away from the object? Even if I wanted to get into proximity flight, which I probably never will, I'd still make sure my lines allowed me to get really far away before deployment. Is that impossible at some sites, or do people just not care? www.WingsuitPhotos.com

I can attest to this. Got a G3 in early 2013 that was a bit too short by my standards, though admittedly I wear my wingsuit longer than most. Asked for a replacement an inch longer, and got it in like 2 weeks IIRC. Never got charged for shipping on that replacement either. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Ummmm... due to possible trademark issues, it's "Star Wers." Steer Wars? moooooooooo.... www.WingsuitPhotos.com

The reason people are questioning your experience is because of the content of the video that you posted. I just watched it again, and the weird thing is that you were totally stable for about 1.5 seconds out the door, and then out of nowhere you went into a crazy out of control tumble that last for several seconds until you spiraled out of the frame. A botched exit is one thing. Spinning out of control is another thing entirely, and it usually indicates the flyer either does not have much experience in general, or does not have enough experience to fly the suit he is in. There are plenty. The best flyers don't get into out of control spins, ever. They just don't. Fuck, Jeb flew into a mountain and recovered from his instability nearly instantaneously. I don't consider myself one of the best, but I do know how to recover from a botched exit without tumbling wildly out of control. I'm going to post a photo sequence below of myself, from a jump which is very, very similar to yours. It is from roughly a year ago, after a long winter, my first jump on a new suit which was the biggest I'd ever jumped, and also involving a fast plane with a small door that I was not used to at all. I totally botched the exit. The relative wind caught my big legwing before I was even halfway out the door, and started to throw me into a fast tumble. 1.5 seconds later I was completely upside down, sideways, and facing up the line of flight. Another 1.5 seconds later I was stable and making eye contact with the guy who exited before me. A few seconds later we were flying side by side and smiling, and had a good 2+ minutes of flight together after that. :-) [inline hoover_fucks_up.jpg] Here's me, posting a video of my mistake. www.matthoover.com/misc/hoover_fucks_up.mp4 If the people on this forum are as hypercritical as you make them out to be, then surely they will respond to my video of a botched exit, under nearly identical circumstances, with the same criticisms, right? If for some reason they don't though, I ask that you give my yet unanswered riddle another shot: www.WingsuitPhotos.com

I wasn't talking about DSE. You're still not focusing closely enough on one poster's line of thinking. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Cute list, but you missed a poster. A pretty important one actually. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Have you happily shared this info yet? www.WingsuitPhotos.com

But he didn't say anything to indicate such a belief, and you suggested he was naive anyway. In fact, he indicated the opposite belief more than once. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

I think you have a very optomistic and maybe even naive view of the sport. I'd bet that no more than 1 in 10 experienced jumpers actually do some sort of an upsize after a break/winter, or downsize a wingsuit for the first few jumps of the season. I think you missed the point of his post completely. He is describing a smart and safe principle, and you seem to think that the existence of a contrary practice somehow invalidates his point or makes him naive? The truth it is exactly the opposite. Because he is aware of such practices being common, he feels the need to remind readers about safe principles. "But everybody does it" was not a good argument when I was a kid... and it's still not. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

I'm not convinced the speed of the plane had anything to do with it. The other pilot with POV video exited extremely smoothly even in the suboptimal position of looking backwards at you. Body position and familiarity with exit are the two biggest things that would have helped you here. I've exited side door planes going so fast that I can pop back up above the tail even after making goddamn sure it passes well overhead first. I did all of that before I ever bought a giant suit or a helmet camera. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Thinly veiled brandwar bullshit != the spirit of April Fools' Day Though it did still garner a chuckle... because, well, penis. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

I see what you did there. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

They remind me of very old Tony prototypes, but I'm not sure that's what they are. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Wanna bet that even that can be done 'in control' if you understand the actual inputs? Nah, I'd rather bet we can do a tight flock all flying like that. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Touch your right foot with your left hand. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

It's even more funny how you're take one guy's side of a story as the gospel. I guarantee they have just as many emails responded to as they do posts on this forum. Can I guarantee they've never overlooked an email? Nope. But I'd bet big money that they never systematically ignored every single email from one person, as that person implies. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Take your wingsuit off before drinking the Scotch. Problem solved. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Awesome video Brian. The first famous proximity flying vid in history was over snow, but since then I haven't seen many others like that. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Haha I have noticed that too... Unless you have accurate stats on the average turn around time for an email response from PF (which nobody except PF themselves have)... then you actually haven't noticed that. You can't compare A to B when you've never seen B. Chances are your sample size is far less than 1% and is very far skewed from normal, and it is without a doubt second hand info. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Small but important quibble: the "close" part has no effect on your ability to climb. Yes, but that's the contrast that Matt is intentionally making, right? The difference between an intuitively safe but actually less adjustable line vs an intuitively dangerous but actually highly adjustable one. Ok, I think I get it now. The big problem I think is his original description makes it sound like he is describing two different attacks of the same terrain. If it's clear that we are describing both two different attacks AND two different pieces of terrain, then I think it is much more clear. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Small but important quibble: the "close" part has no effect on your ability to climb. This seems to be the same thing Chuck is commenting on in the OP. www.WingsuitPhotos.com

1) What problem is it fixing? 2) Can we just get a couple pictures and words about how it works instead of a 4 minute video? www.WingsuitPhotos.com

Dude, if you're going to use gay-ass tactical speak at least use it properly. You gave him a situation report or you talked to him about your situation. You didn't talk to him about your report about your situation. Aside from that, enjoy getting into wingsuits!