bigbearfng

I venture into SC on occasion to take a look at the current opinions of fellow skydivers. I believe that most everyones beliefs and positions are formed from their experiences in life, whether it be day to day or a particular traumatic incident. So I was honestly trying to ascertain where Kallends beliefs originate-actually try to understand the other side. And then there are folk that just have an unfounded phobia. However the responses have been "troll like" (is that acceptable??) Also posters have outright been called trolls in here and other forums before. I've personally called out trolls before-and never been threatened with a ban over it. So to me at least, it appears that the claims made by some folk of bias by the mods appears to be true. So over and out for me-and the people that have unfounded phobias and no common sense-good day to you. And that is not meant as name calling of anybody in particular-but if the shoe fits.....so be it.

You WILL stop calling people names or you WILL be banned. This is not a warning. This is policy. Huh??? didn't know that was such a bad word OMG! I was honestly trying to elicit a real discussion-but obviously pretty useless with some folk. Fine I'm outa this useless drivel.....

Debunked years ago. Kleck's data are rubbish. Excuse me????? Debunked by who???? Asked and answered previously. Actually, I HAVE Just look up some facts BEFORE spouting off on things you apparently know nothing about. You really can't give an honest answer-just smart ass replies.... So I won't give any smart ass replies back. yup you're just a troll I don't feed trolls.... Apparently you can't handle the truth. Hey go away troll

Kallend-you've ignored my question-I was hoping you'd try to give me an honest answer..... I'm beginning to think you're just out to stir people up/a troll????? Which particular question was that? I charge $250/hour to answer stupid questions. Hey, go away you... There is that better?????

Debunked years ago. Kleck's data are rubbish. Excuse me????? Debunked by who???? Asked and answered previously. Actually, I HAVE Just look up some facts BEFORE spouting off on things you apparently know nothing about. You really can't give an honest answer-just smart ass replies.... So I won't give any smart ass replies back. yup you're just a troll I don't feed trolls....

[ Also I still really would like to get a grasp on how you think.... Would you please address the comparison between AAD/rsl/reserves and weapons? So if they don't always work then we shouldn't bother with them????? Kallend-you've ignored my question-I was hoping you'd try to give me an honest answer..... I'm beginning to think you're just out to stir people up/a troll?????

So you see no difference between your average pilot and your average kindergarten teacher? Of course everyone is different....even you! Some would pass and be certified and some wouldn't , be they pilots or teachers. And that's just common sense to me... Also I still really would like to get a grasp on how you think.... Would you please address the comparison between AAD/rsl/reserves and weapons? So if they don't always work then we shouldn't bother with them?????

Debunked years ago. Kleck's data are rubbish. Excuse me????? Debunked by who???? Reading assignment=go back years worth of American Rifleman-armed citizen and read. These are just pulled from mainstream newspaper articles across the country. Yes real!!!! You can even research the actual articles to satisfy yourself they're real. If you still can't concede that a firearm and the will to live can save yourself and or your family members-then I give up on you. But I'll still always support your right to choose.... Maybe if you worked patrol for a few years you could see some reality...... OK, what's my reading assignment

Lot of posters here remind me of folk I've met-highly intelligent.....but not a lick of common sense.... As for arming teachers- Set up a training/certification program like the pilots have and I would have no problem at all with it. Having flown armed with armed pilots on board also, I have no problem with their training and trusting them.

I have a BRAIN, which entitles me to an opinion, so STFU yourself until you get one. Sounding like a PA there kallend..... And you know what they say about opinions and assholes..... And I think the previous comment made about rsl/reserves/and AADs is very relevant to any comparisons.......so we shouldn't bother with those then ???

And I hope USPA doesn't mandate any of this crap......

Still not a fix..... See my post above about the background checks-due to HIPAA privacy laws you can't check for mental health records unless the 5150 was written by a LEO.

Lots of good food for thought in this thread. Of course our idiot knee jerk politicians wouldn't be able to think of any common sense ideas. One other "food for thought" clarified. (And this is applicable to several crazies shooting incidents) When you fill out the form to purchase a firearm it is basically on your honor when asked if you're addicted to drugs or have a mental health history. If a person is taken 5150 by LEO then it is in the checkable system along with criminal history. (5150 is CA H&S code for a 72 hr psych hold.) However a 5150 by mental health or an MD is not checkable at all. Thank HIPAA for this...... So several of the recent nutters would never have been able to buy those weapons if a real background check had been able to be performed. Now as to a central record of "nutters" so to speak ever becoming a possibility in our current politically correct privacy advocates society...........

Seems you replyed to my post but addressed the Q to EFS4LIFE? If I may answer from my perspective of the "power grab" comment? Quote from an above post follows. "It appears that the model that’s intended to be used for the WS rating program is the AFF program. The original AFF proposal resulted in an instructional program ruled by 4 individuals that held onto their power with an iron grip for over 15 years! The “I” course had a pass/fail rate of 50/50 and this was accepted for the sake of “quality” and “standardization”. For a long time pre-courses were not only discouraged they weren’t even offered. Course training was done by senior AFF I’s or by a few designated Evaluators. It was only when DZ’s and DZO's where unable to get certified Instructors did the Board step in and allow mere mortals to get Course Director ratings and prospective I’s didn’t have to guess about the standards of the course they were about to take. The current plan for Wingsuits calls for only 7 IE’s so it’s going to take a long time to make WSI’s a common DZ staff member available to the rank and file. " _________________________________________________

I commend you for taking the time to screen unknown WS jumpers at your DZ and hope you include unknown jumpers on pocket rocket canopies. Just curious-if the powers that be had decided you wouldn't qualify as one of the I/E's under this proposal what would your take on it then be? Would you then go take a course from one the sanctioned people? Or????

Thats funny because the USPA allows jumpers with only what 100 jumps that have proven effiecency by passing a coach course to teach first time jumpers the FJC. Hmm that STANDARDIZED. Seems to go together just fine so far. Oh ya but we have students bouncing all over the place right? Seems like a power grab to me. I will let others make up their own mind on this one. I have. +10! There may well be no further financial gain to be had for you, however with your above statement calling it a "power grab" is sure how it comes off. And with all due respect, I still would really like to know what these exit techniques are that encourage tailstrikes that are being taught out there?

Yourself even said once the 200 jump BSR went into effect there were no new WSer fatalities. If it worked then what gives? __________________________________________________ Could you please address this? __________________________________________________ Nope...hasn't worked out that way. Just last week, saw two FFCs online from two very well-known wingsuit "instructors" using the very popular method of exit that I believe is greatly responsible for the tailstrike issues we've observed. __________________________________________________ I really would like to know exactly what this referred to "method of exit" is? Versus what is addressed in the SIM?

Hmmm, I have to admit that looks like pretty conclusive proof (of a significant gain in altitude!) in spite of all the naysayers......

We need a common curriculum IMO. I will vote accordingly. We do have a common curriculum-it's in the SIM. Second thought to that....it's been mentioned that no one reads the SIM. New AFF students are required to buy USPA membership, but not the SIM that they're supposed to learn out of-that never made sense to me....

In another thread it was mentioned about "sticker-avoid the bite-wingsuiter awareness campaign" So being that the tailstrikes have been by experienced WS- Why not as a first step initiate something like the above? Post reminder stickers at the door-keep your wings closed on exit..... Kinda like the click it or ticket campaign? I'm sure someone could lay out something better than I am here..........

From my prior posts it's obvious where I stand on this issue. I was reading your withdrawal letter with respect for the other side of the argument until I got to "I'm disgusted with those that feel "more people need to die before we consider this kind of training"." Sorry, but you lost a lot of my respect for your letter there....... No matter anyones motivation, if both sides of this could cut out the "sensationalism" it could help.

Rather than repeating most everything in this thread.... Take a look at the wingsuit forum /Wingsuit Instructor/Coach Rating Input Needed. thread.

Oh, you mean plenty of people are teaching wingsuiting and they're not even "USPA certified WSIs".....and yea, they are doing it well....

Remember bounce bingo?

Hey come on-don't mention CRW here! I was planning on lookin up the local CRWdogs to learn ....now I'm going to have to end up finding an "official" instructor!!!! Though the "official" instructor might be cheaper than the bar tab for a CRWdog!