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In the early 1900's there were signs out side of almost all busnisses in Boston and NY which read; "Irish Need Not Apply" Hey my people were oppressed when they got here too. But you know what they did about it? They worked there asses off. They kept trying harder and harder to succeed, and guess what they did. Success is an attitude. If you possess the disire to succeed than you can overcome almost anything. The problem right now is that the Black community as a whole is not self motivating enough to create the desire to succeed. Instead they are looking for excuses. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I take that back my numbers were low : Source: http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/0310/30/a02-311602.htm ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

This is commonly misunderstood ever since the PC people took over this country. In America you do NOT have the right to NOT be offended. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, first of all I don't think discrimination is AS large a factor as you think. You see an unemployment rate higher in blacks than in WHites and you assume it is descrimination.... There are other social and economic factors at play here. Desrimination has been brought to light and it is being prosecuted. Though this isn't a fix, is has helped to reduce the cases of discrimination. That is why there are laws which make descrimination illegal. What you fail to notice or recognize is that it goes both ways. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Here is a good one for you Kato from the Census: 75% of Blacks born to women between the ages 18 and 26 in America are born into single parent families. 54% of Black children born in the last 10 yrs were born into single parent families. So, there is one explaination for you. It is a fact that when compareing children raised in a home with two parents to that of one parent, the child is more likely to succeed and more likely to get a higher education. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

First of all let's get rid of that PC expression right there!!!! The white girl on my block that was born in South Africa and became a US citizen might be able to be called and AFRICAN AMERICAN. I am white. You are Black. OK... I insist I be called an Irish AMerican from now on. I am not yelling at you Kato, I am yelling at the PC police that created this nightmare in the 90's. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Comparing the USSR to the USA is about the same as comparing Hitler to Bush.... A childish and weak arguement meant to distract people from the facts. So you are saying because the USSR Lied that means the USA must be lying too. How did ever become a professor with logic like that? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

But you don't know them? But you are pretty sure they are "good ones"? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

No my memory is still good... I recall it being a "Temporary" government :-) And how does that relate to the us military providing as much security as they can? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well then AA obviously never affected your family did it? Again AA was and still is a bad idea for something which happened before any living americans time. Now please proffesor tell us what these "various reasons, mostly good ones" are in your opinion. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I will repeat what I said in the other thread. Affirmative Action is Institutionalized Racism So, what is the point of AA? To get rid of Racism? Doesn't really make sense does it? And of course it has already been said, but, AA suggests that minorities do not have the ability to succeed without help or special treatment.... Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

What are you suggesting? We leave Iraq on June 30th? HAHAHAHA are you kidding me? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

let's compare apples to apples even though we both know what the other is getting at: They both drive 45miles total to work poor guy gets 35mpg rich middle class guy gets 15mpg poor guy makes $6.5/hr Middle Class guy 50K/yr salary poor guy grosses 260/wk MC guy grosses 961/wk poor spends 1.28 gallon/day @ $2/ gallon = $2.56 MC spends 3 gallon/day @ $2/ gallon = $6.00 Raise the price by 30% gas is now $2.60/gal poor guy spends 3.28/day difference = $3.6/wk Middle class spends 7.8/day difference = $9.0/wk Difference for the poor guy is 1.38% of his gross income. Difference for the MC guy is .93% of his gross income. Your are right Bill, it is not much, but if you are the guy making minimum wage every penny counts. Shit I have a houshold income of 90K a year and I can't even buy a starter home where I live and the ONLY debts I have are student loans... no Credit card bills. Here in NY the average rental prive for a 1bdrm apt in long island is $1050/month. Trust me every penny counts. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Affirmative Action is institutionalized Racism the same type of thing the civil rights movemont was trying to get rid of. Ironic isn't it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

But that is a case of descrimination and should be prosecuted.... you don't need affirmative action for that. That argument makes no sense. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Bill the quest was posed not as the actuall amount they have to spend, but instead how much of ones salary (%) is used for transportation. Increased gas taxes will hurt the lower class much more than the upper class or upper middle class... The groups driving the expensive SUVs. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

1. Ross Perot 2. Martha Stewart (Just cuz she's a tough Bitch and I hate her) 3. Morgan Freeman ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I know it doesn't seem it, but this Unelected body has to be there in order to oversee the real elections which will happen in the near future. Consider the USA. Our founding fathers weren't exactly elected either. But they were still able to draw up a democratic constitution which called for the election of the governing bodies. There had to be unelected leaders in the beginning. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Kato, I understand your point and it is a good one, but the intstitionalized racism is no there like it was 15 or 25 0r 55 years ago. There will always be racism ... ALWAYS. But, blacks creating separate 'Black ONly" groups and clubs is perseved by many whites as an establishment of reverse racism. A gathering of a minority group to bring down the majority, when instead it should be used to put everyone on the same playing field. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

it is a temporary gvmntnot a "puppet govnmnt", but it is the first step in the democracy. The power will go to the iraqi govrnmt, but the policing will be the military. Do you think the Iraqi military is up to the task yet? Have you read the interm constitution? Did you expect on June 30th we would leave and let them fend for themselves? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Ron, Very well put. I have the same feelings as you do on this subject. The fact is the term "race" and or "Racist" seem to be thrown around when ever 2 or more people disagree and there happens to be a difference in race. A majority of the time race is NOT the issue, but it is used because it draws attentions and sympathy. Also, not very many whites want to be labled as racist. (Even the racist ones.) The truth is, as racist as whites may be toward blacks in this country, it goes the other way just as much. Blacks are quite racist toward whites as well. It is an interesting problem, and let's face it we are ALL a bit predjudice in some way. What is strange though (and maybe it is just in my part of the country) is that it seems to be mainly a white vs. black issue. I hardly ever here of the race card coming into play in reference to asians??? And only sometimes in reference to hispanics. I suspect there is a lot more hispanic racism in the west and south where there is a larger population. Anyway racism does happen. However, "Playing the race card" is a cheap way of getting people to listen. It is the equivilent of a girl crying RAPE just to get her voice heard. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

HOLY SHIT did I hear that right.... A liberal wanting to lower taxes???????? Oh wait.... correction, no, he wants to raise them in one place, and then lower them less in another to have a net gain of higher taxes. Kallend... Here is the problem with raising taxes on gas. Who is going to feel it most? THe poor guy who drives 35 miles each way to work everyday making minimum wage or the guy making 100K + driving his SUV 50 miles each way to work every day? THE POOR GUY THAT ALREADY CAN"T AFFORD IT. Now, I am a capitalist and don't really care about the little guy, but, I know you in truth must be opposed to your own plan. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

HOW DID THIS THREAD GET HIjacked right under my nose?? I thought the new aiport screeners would have stopped this. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Show me a politician who is not out to cover his ass and I will show you the time machine I just built in my basement!!! Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

What is wrong with this? No USA Cameras or Tape recorders allowed at the US soldiers Court Marshel Hearings tomorrow, However, Al Jazera is allowed to run a live broadcast from the court room. I am a strong supporter of this administrations, but this is a stupid idea and I can only guess it came from the top. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty