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That's a very COMPLEX arithmetic statement. It took Russell and Whitehead over 300 pages to conclude that 1+1 = 2 I didn't say arithmetic couldn't get complex very quickly (reading Gödel's work makes me sleepy) I just suggested it wasn't science. I think the distinction between science and logic is important.

Certain branches of mathematics may be considered science when studied in certain ways but I would argue arithmetic (and more specifically a single arithmatic statement) is not one of them.

While we're at it... 2+2=4 is not science. He used i.e. when he meant e.g. (Unless he really did mean i.e. in which case that was a really bizarre clarification.)

Things are not necessarily "the issue" or even "an issue" just because someone puts them in the title of a news articles, the title of a speakers corner thread, or the title of a proposed piece of legislation.

Well, that escalated quickly.

Do you think if Obama declared war on Ebola he could win the Nobel prize in medicine too?

...every year, for the past year!

Picture a creature the size of a human being but with a skeletal structure that consisted of just one human rib. /edit: queue jokes about the legislature...

It could be the MMH but have you thought about Quatermass?

Experience tells me that is far from true. I meant everybody understands the distinction you're trying to make with the term "car-free." You didn't have to explain it further. It's still a douchey term. Who cares?

Oh no, no... that's understood... everybody understands that...

By the way, since this thread is about fossil fuels... In a couple other threads recently you've referred to yourself as "car-free" which... I... just... Look, don't get me wrong, I'm a bicycle commuter myself but on a scale from one to hipster, that's a really douchey thing to say.

Some recent fun with ID, and it even involves the TSA so it's fun for everybody... Last weekend my wife and I took a trip to NorCal. We had booked it on Southwest before we were married. My wife had already gotten a new drivers license, etc. so I called Southwest and said can you change her name on the reservation so that the boarding pass matches her ID. They said no, they could not do that, but told us to bring a copy of the marriage license that showed her maiden name. So on our return trip, in SJC, the TSA guy looks at the boarding pass, looks at the ID and starts muttering, "No, nope, this isn't going to work." and says to my wife, "This isn't you." My wife told him the flight was booked under her maiden name and pointed out to the guy that she had handed him, and he was holding, the marriage certificate underneath the boarding pass as we were instructed to do by the airlines. So he looks it over and says, "this doesn't have a photo of you on it." They eventually did agree to let her through. I guess they were able to resolve their concern over who she claimed to be by administering a pat down.

Both lighting strikes and heart disease can cause cardiac arrest... So they are remotely related, but that wasn't my point. The "anecdote + any dataset that includes the anecdote = proposed solution that tries to address the anecdote but ignores the dataset" formula is getting really tiring. Firearm deaths, particularly among as wide a group as "children and teens", are not all due to one problem. If someone leaves a loaded gun on their coffee table and five year old little Timmy shoots his sister with it, that's one problem. If 19 year old Steve shoots 17 year old Robert with an illegally purchased gun over a drug sale gone wrong, that's another problem (actually, that's a few problems.) Some places in the US do more or less to address these problems. Some places in the US have already passed legislation to address these problems and still reference the anecdotes to garner support for laws that have nothing to do with them. How ever full of shit and one-tracked anyone thinks the NRA is, know that the Brady campaign is their complement.

1. This is not the longest a craft has been in space before returning. There was a mission by JAXA a few years ago called Hayabusa that spent a little over 7 years in space. 2. jonstark was correct regarding the MMH. It's used to power the thrusters in many spacecraft and it vaporizes into a highly toxic, flammable, corrosive, carcinogenic gas. Many thermal control systems in space vehicles also use ammonia which can be pretty nasty too, but those are self-contained and would be a secondary concern.

Hove you posted video of that somewhere? It'd be cool to see. I'll try. Have to find the vids and pull the segment if my adobe editor is still in date (or I have the teammate that's actually good at this stuff do it for me) - 90 second clip from an hour video. (remember - no exit, no worries, we built up to that pace, etc etc etc.....SO different in a real dive) If you don't have a meltdown at some point between 35 seconds and break off it means you weren't going fast enough!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you've added an unjustified increase in precision with that stat! Yeah that bugged me, but I still think the snide comes through better that way.

Thanks a lot Obola...

600,050 people are killed by lightning strikes and heart disease every year in the US. In your opening post you wrote "Guns don't kill people, children that find daddies gun lying around kill people." so don't insult us by suggesting that you or the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership are including late teen firearm deaths for any reason other than inflating statistics.

Anything would be an improvement. As it is when I think rehmwa I just think K... K... K...

So... a couple follow-up thoughts... I'm wary of turning to the court of public opinion to determine the government stance (that is the stance we all get behind with our tax dollars) on long-term and highly technical challenges like evolution of our energy production and infrastructure. Not necessarily because I think people are all morons, but rather because I think chasing popularity ends up over-constraining the problem. Also, upon re-reading that last post I realized I was missing a detail about why I think politicians only paying attention to popularity is a bad thing. What I meant by that is that if wind farms are popular, cynicism says a politician will look to associate themselves with as many bills with the word "wind farms" in the title as he or she can, because that will get them as many or more votes as, say, assigning staffers to really research the problem and create home-grown legislation.

Any actual examples, or just more of your baseless rambling? You can see the foundation of the kind of behavior rehmwa is talking about by looking at a number of billvons posts in this thread. According to polls, wind farms are popular. Cynicism says that's really as far as politicians look. More cynicism says the legislation they pass to support wind farms was written by the legal department at Vestas NA.

...says the guy who has only turned one point in all the years I've seen you post here...

No worries. I'm not perfect at written communications, no one is.

So 15-19 year olds are somehow not children and teens? Interesting...