brenthutch
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It’s called Greenwashing. Throw a sparkly solar panel in front of the sheep, while the real business gets done, via fossil fuels.
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They did not need them in the past either. If you took away every subsidy the oil and gas industry ever had, what do you think would happen? People would go back to riding horses? Was there another substance that could compete with oil and gas? Oh yeah, wood and coal. There was no other more economical energy source to take its place. The fact that they received subsidies was so politicians could get donations in return. Just like Solindra.( except Solindra was not economically viable....obviously )
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AKA natural gas. Hardly dramatic, everyone is doing it... because .....economics.
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I guess the best way to illustrate my point is by way of example. Citizens of Alaska receive an annual dividend of as much as $2000+, Saudis get even more from the bounty provided by the oil and gas industries. In other words, oil and gas are SUBSIDIZING the citizens not the other way around. Juxtapose that to the situation in California and Germany where citizens are paying sky high electricity prices to SUBSIDIZE renewables. I really don’t get why folks are having such a hard time wrapping their brain around this simple reality.
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Yes, I lived in Germany for three years and the cost of living is lower than: Switzerland, Iceland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Ireland, France, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Finland, Austria, Italy, and the U.K.; yet they pay less for electricity than Germany. Yes, Germany’s electricity is expensive because of renewables.
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OK, I will take #4 off the table, that leaves us with: 1. Climate changes, it always has and always will, it has been warming in fits and starts since the end of the Little Ice Age. 2. Climate related deaths have dropped dramatically during the last hundred years and the elevated CO2 levels have resulted in a literal greening of the planet and have contributed to record food production. 3. Fossil fuels have an energy density unmatched by renewables and we have a centuries+ worth in recoverable reserves. 5. Wind and Solar are not ecologically benign and require heavy industrial and mining processes for their production and have to be replaced every twenty to thirty years. 6. Wind and solar are unreliable and lead to skyrocketing energyprices where their adoption is widespread ($.30+kWh in Germany and Denmark)
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I didn’t say any particular company. You giving an example of one company losing money and declaring the whole sector unviable, would be like me using the example of Trump loosing money on the Taj Mahal as proof that casinos are unprofitable.
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Let’s hop in the way-back machine. I said renewable energy was not economically viable, you said “ using that logic neither is oil” after a bit I posted an article laying out how oil and gas companies did not NEED subsidies, (unlike renewables ) The fact that they get them is not germane to the argument. (I was replying to SkyDekker)
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To address your point, I don’t believe that renewable power companies rely 100% on government handouts. However, if they were truly profitable, private capital would flood in and finance their efforts. But they are not and that is why they need governmental backstops in the form of direct subsidies, tax breaks, feed-in tariffs and mandates.
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I will remind you that I wrote in Mickey Mouse for president in 2016. I believed that a cartoon rodent would make a better president than either Trump or HRC.
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Your knowledge of lemmings is only unsurpassed by your understanding of green energy https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=56
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Actually I am worried about how this will play out. I am afraid the R’s will overplay their hand and push through a nomination. That will energize the left, resulting in a Biden win. There will then be enormous pressure to expand and stack the court. Then the gloves are off and all hell breaks loose.
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I’m afraid you are right
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I would actually prefer Bernie if I could get the policies I support on taxes, trade, regulations and sovereignty. I hate Trump, he is destroying the conservative movement. I loathe it when Trump and conservatism get lumped together.
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“But renewable energy will actually win out eventually - like electric cars“ Let me type slowly so you may understand.....”renewable energy...like electric cars” No misunderstanding, you said what you meant and you meant what you said. You were just wrong. However I expect you are man enough to fess up to it.
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Tax payer subsidies, feed in tariff and mandates. (You missed a few)
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No need to wait as Trump is sure to win. (Or at least that is what he will say)
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You were the one to conflate the two
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Ted Cruz for associate justice. Popping popcorn.....
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Fossil fuels have never needed subsidies. When coal became more economical than wood, it replaced wood. When kerosene became more economical than whale oil, it replaced whale oil. That is not to say fossil fuels have never received subsidies, they have just not needed them to survive. If there were another substance that could power the world’s industrial, transportation, and electrical power needs, and was cheaper, more convenient with no negative impact on the environment I will be the first to support it.
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Good point. I would settle for a freer market.
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The facts would indicate otherwise https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-03/electric-car-sales-fall-for-first-time-after-china-cuts-subsidy https://www.thegwpf.com/electric-car-sales-stall-after-uk-govt-cuts-subsidies/ I would never presume to tell anyone what kind of vehicle to buy or not to buy, that is what lefties do.
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The both I am against are cronyism and politics interfering with the free market.
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I am not for subsidizes, never have been. I was just pointing out the simple fact that oil and gas companies are economically viable and wind and solar need government support. As the article indicated, oil and gas companies are big boys and don’t need subsidies. The fact that they get them is an artifact of politics, and cronyism. As a free marketeer I am against both.
