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I don't know the whole answer to that. All I know is what is described in the first 1st chapter of the book of Romans. It is clear that all children of God will be given the chance to follow or reject. However, I also believe that there are some who were created for other purposes. Key point: The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:18-19 As for your reference to Jesus, I really don't know and can only trust that God knows what he's doing.

It is for the "IRAGIS."

Not exactly. Choosing “non-God-endorsed” behavior as you put it isn’t necessarily what damns you to hell for eternity. We all do that from time-to-time. Salvation is gained only by the grace of God through faith in his son Jesus Christ. Not accepting Jesus as your personal lord and savior and repenting of your sin is what will land you in hell ultimately. If you were going to punish your child for bad behavior, would you give him/her a lollipop as a reward? You can’t have it both ways. No matter how much you don’t like it. You can’t have both the satisfaction from doing what is wrong as well as the reward for not doing it. You can honestly tell me, as a man, that you don’t feel sexual attraction to many other women (I don’t know if you’re married or have a girlfriend.). You don’t walk down the beach and turn your head to look at some other woman in a g-string bikini. You never have inappropriate thoughts when you take that glance? You’re a better man than I am apparently. I don’t think that’s something I learned from my environment. I’ll bet if you set up a video camera on the beach where there were a bunch of guys (probably mostly heterosexual), had a good looking girl in a g-string walk up and down the beach, and you reviewed the film, you might be proved wrong. That goes for heterosexual males in any culture. Tourette's Syndrome is a disease and can’t be helped. That person might not “want” to do what he/she does but doesn’t have the capacity to choose to not do it. There’s no personal fault there. Like I said, it’s a daily struggle for me to not cheat on my wife. Cheating doesn’t necessarily have to be in the physical sense. It can also be lusting in your mind. If you’re honest with yourself, you’ll know what I’m talking about. You've also broken #7 of The 10 Commandments. Everyone has their own trials and tribulations. You just have to deal with them.

Okay, what name would you have applied to his situation? Doesn't really matter to me what official status they give/gave him. He was a US Citizen held captive and he escaped.

Have you done what's in your quote above? My wife's cat just had kittens 2 1/2 weeks ago. She had 4 but our Jack Russell Terrier killed one. I think a dust buster would completely suck one of these furballs in.

Absolutely. I agree. Does anyone know if they did?

I think we've already been through this long discussion in another thread concerning "gay marriage." However, PhillyKev couldn't understand (or at least he said that he didn't) what the Christian protestors had a problem with concerning the "gay pride" "block party", as he now calls it. I listed some of the reasons they were opposed to a public display of that magnitude which, in all probability, was designed to push the homosexual political agenda. I was also defending their right to protest just like the homosexuals have the right to march.

Are you serious? Can’t you come up with a better comparison than that? Skydiving is a sport. If skydiving was banned altogether, it would only affect an extremely small segment of the population and keep them from having their fun. Don’t get me wrong. That would seriously disrupt my life! However, the agenda that the homosexual movement is pushing affects us all. It affects the foundations of both marriage and family, adoption principles, what gets taught to our kids in public schools concerning sex, etc. I’d say it is an important enough topic to protest if you believe strongly against what the homosexual movement is pushing. If The Southern Baptist Convention planned for and led a public “block party” with signs, flags, banners, and handing out leaflets, I’d expect that the “gay pride” people would be there to protest given the Christians opposing view of homosexuality. It’s funny how it went in the opening post from being a “gay pride festival” with streets closed off, food vendors, bands, balloons, rainbow flags, with lots of people walking around to a block party. I just can’t figure out why there’s all the fuss.

War's a real bitch. Do you think you've got the guts to fight it?

It's funny, professional writers frequently have issues with their word placements. 1 - the iraqis had a single auto or; 2 - the soldiers only needed a single auto to take the iraqis captive. of course 1 is the right read, but they didn't make the article friendly to literal readers.... Blah...blah...blah...blah....blah....word placement...blah....blah. ............back on topic... Again, two thumbs up for Thomas Hamill whatever you prefer to classify him as (POW, prisoner, detainee, hostage, in a tight spot, FUBAR).

If that's truly what you believe, I won't argue it. It's just way beyond my level of comprehension to believe that there wasn't an agenda and that it was just a bunch of homosexuals or "like minded individuals" enjoying each other's company for the world to see.

That includes the ghettos of the USA, which is why it is important that ALL kids get a good education. Our inner city schools are a disgrace to a great nation and waste human potential. I agree.

Whatever you want to call it, dude. You’re right. I wasn’t there and am only going by what you tell me. However, your statement above makes it pretty clear that it was large, public, and had a political agenda. It wasn’t just a group of neighbors having a “block hamburger cookout.”

God created people with the intention of having a loving personal relationship with them. He created people with “free will.” Otherwise, even in our limited understanding of the way of things, what would really be the point? If he created all people with only the capacity to love him unconditionally, that would be like dealing a hand in poker exactly how you wanted to instead of randomly after a shuffle. There’s nothing without free will. Otherwise, you’d just have created a bunch of robots. Therefore, there is sin in the world, however you choose to describe it, but people perpetuate it. Not God. People sin against God because of their nature. There are boundaries, limits, laws, or parameters which we must all operate within in everything we do. If you believed that there should be no limits or laws on anything you do, then you believe we can all operate in complete chaos. That’s illogical. You inferred in a previous post that religious people were illogical thinkers; however, I truly fail to see the logic in your comparison above. Physical characteristics are traits which we cannot control. The way you behave is very much controllable. My natural instincts tell me everyday to cheat on my wife but I choose not to. Side note: Your profile lists you as a proofreader. Within your argument, you use verbiage such as “fuckin’ cheap” and “real fucktard” to give strength to your position. Wouldn’t you correct that in the papers you proofread? I would. You’re making an assumption by saying, “if you deny that homosexual people are wired that way.” I don’t deny that homosexuals might not be born with the tendency or predisposition to be attracted to members of the same sex. That all goes back to what was said in Romans 1:24-32, “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts.” I think it can also be a product of ones environment but I also think that it, in some cases, might be biological. I can tell you honestly that I was born with the predisposition to be an adulterer. I am happily married to the woman I love but I still have very strong drives to not be faithful. I choose not to cheat on my wife, however, and choose to keep the sanctity of my marriage in place. If I followed my instincts, I would have multiple partners and not be monogamous.

We're talking about a "gay pride" parade/celebration in the streets of Philadelphia. Hundreds of people walking around with banners and signs, giving public speaches, and pushing their political agenda in a very big way. Not just two guys walking down the street holding hands. Keep it in context.

Age is no excuse. I'm 35 now but, back then, my Mom used to have to buy the beer for me to "pay up" at the DZ. GET BUSY!

There are potential Einsteins throughout the world. Ethnicity doesn't matter.

Not quite. For all you who are offended by "God talk", cover your ears/eyes. In reference to your question, it's all about sin. In God's eyes, homosexuality is a sin just like what a mugger does is a sin. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love that person. He just doesn't love the person's sin. Whatever it is. Here is a good explanation I found concerning sin. http://www.billygraham.org/print.asp?i=534&t=qna Are all sins the same in God's eyes? It is always difficult and dangerous to attempt to list sins according to their degree of seriousness. In one sense, all sins are equal in that they all separate us from God. The Bible's statement, "For the wages of sin is death ..." (Romans 6:23), applies to all sin, whether of thought, word, or deed. At the same time, it seems obvious that some sins are worse than others in both motivation and effects and should be judged accordingly. Stealing a loaf of bread is vastly different than exterminating a million people. Sins may also differ at their root. Theologians have sought for centuries to determine what the essence of sin is. Some have chosen sensuality, others selfishness and still others pride or unbelief. In the Old Testament, God applied different penalties to different sins, suggesting variations in the seriousness of some sins. A thief paid restitution; an occult practitioner was cut off from Israel; one who committed adultery or a homosexual act or cursed his parents was put to death (see Exodus, chapter 22 and Leviticus, chapter 20). In the New Testament Jesus said it would be more bearable on the day of judgment for Sodom than for Capernaum because of Capernaum's unbelief and refusal to repent at His miracles (Matthew 11:23-24). The sins of Sodom were identified in Ezekiel 16:21 as arrogance, gluttony, indifference to the poor and needy, haughtiness, and "detestable things." When Jesus spoke of his second coming and judgment, he warned that among those deserving punishment some would "be beaten with many blows" and others "with few blows" (Luke 12:47-48). He also reserved His most fierce denunciations for the pride and unbelief of the religious leaders, not the sexually immoral (Matthew 23:13-36). However, remember that whether our sins be relatively small or great, they will place us in hell apart from God's grace. The good news is that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins and the sins of the whole world at the Cross. If we will repent and turn to Jesus in faith, our sins will be forgiven, and we will receive the gift of eternal life. See Steps to Peace With God.

That’s quite a leap to make the statement that all religious people aren’t rational or logical. Anyway…that’s your belief. I’d hold myself in standing with you any day. By participating in a huge rally with signs and banners. Christians aren’t trying to turn the public against homosexuals. That is a misconception. They’re trying to turn the public against homosexuality. We DO think it is an immoral lifestyle and speak out against it but that in no way means that we dislike the homosexual person.

It’s not enough for these people (homosexuals) to live their lives privately in accordance with their own sexuality. They take it upon themselves to push what should stay in their bedroom and conscious onto everyone whether they care or not in order to push their political agenda. It is truly the height of arrogance.

Not at all. It's absolutely fine with me if you don't believe the way I do. That part isn't up to me.

Again, I’m not trying to push anything down your throat. I wouldn’t begin to try and convince you of what you’re so adamantly set against. It’s curious how it riles you up so badly, though, at even the hint of the topic of Christianity. However, all of your venom and Christian bashing doesn’t take away from the fact that there’s nothing wrong with what the Christian demonstrators were doing. It is, in fact, the same as what the homosexual marchers were doing. Both are pushing an agenda whether you agree with them or not. PhillyKev said he didn’t understand the Christian’s point. I tried to explain it to him. Although, I’m pretty sure he already knew. He just wanted to stir the pot some more.

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I absolutely love it when POW's escape. It shoves it right back into the face of the enemy. Way to go!!!

Why do you refer to the religious as “whackos” when they are doing the exact same thing as the “gay pride” marchers? That is NOT just an “outdoor festival” as you put it. The “gay pride” marchers are demonstrating their beliefs just as the religious demonstrators are. The “gay pride” marchers are trying to normalize their way of life in our culture by bringing out their sexual beliefs and shoving it down everyone’s throats. In short, they are pushing their political agenda. I doubt that anybody, referring to the heterosexual populace, asked or wanted to know who was homosexual and who was not. The “gay pride” people are the ones that brought up the topic of the demonstration in the first place. In any case, below are quotations from the Bible demonstrating why the religious persons at the rally have a problem with homosexuality. I know you think that has no real basis. This is just in answer to your question about what they have a problem with. Again, the religious demonstration probably would not have occurred at all if it weren’t for the blatant unsolicited demonstration of the gay marchers. I don’t see all the heterosexuals in Philadelphia marching around shouting their sexual preference. "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV) "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." Genesis 13:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Romans 1:24-32