Botellines
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Gosh wash the A-Bombing of Japan worth it?
Botellines replied to maxmadmax's topic in Speakers Corner
They were certainly more powerful than any other bomb at that time. What other explosive device could destroy reinforced concrete in a radius of 500-750 Km. If you add that they didn´t know how many bombs you had, they would make an excelent tool to negotiate. -
I was talking about the actual times, not the past. But i will concede it was not clear on my post The U.S did support IRA. And i forgot to add Osama Bin Laden which was a handy terrorist against the soviets before it turned against its master. Kallend answered the IRA question better than i could. No, it is not. I can usually express my opinions much better in spanish. What part of the chunk of text was not clear?
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Certainly, on a world scale, those who pollute the most will get the short stick of the deal. Ethiopia will not even notice a Kyoto agreement, but the thing is that on a local scale those who stop polluting will benefit themselves as well, and not just the whole world. In any case, any measure toward less pollution, will affect all bussiness of a kind the same so no one will go bankrupt, it will be a challenge alike for all of them. Regarding foreign services, the government can raise taxes for those imprted goods that have an advantage due to diferences in pollution laws, so can compete with national good in equal conditions. I am sure that if there is a will, there is a way.
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China?, What the fuck do they have to do with this? Dude, Terrorism is not funded by any of those government. At most, they can turn a blind eye on their actions. Terrorism is mostly funded by legal people that support their cause. When i say legal i mean people that do bussiness with you and me and are not searched by international law. In first place they don´t need that much money to do a terrorist action, and secondly, no government will ever want nowadays to be compromised by being caught supporting terrorist actions. The only possible exception is the U.S.A with the Contra and the IRA. I know there is a big distrust from the U.S towards China due to economical reasons, but i think that If Iran could give a severe beating to the U.S troops, with China you would get MAD. But somehow i think you guys have more to loose.
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Considering what there is at stake (survival of mankind) i don´t see any problem in expecting the worst and hoping for the best. In any case, a bit of less pollution will save millions of dollars in respiratory related sickness. I don´t understand how there is so many people who denies the effects of the global warming when they have nothing to loose if some policies are implemented and a lot to gain. That is if you don´t have economic interests in the oil industrie, of course.
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Yeah, let´s make it easier for terrorists to get a nuke by doing thew wrong thing.
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Probably not, and the clear message to the world will be, get your hands on a nuke without anyone telling, and you will be treated with respect. And therefore it will be much easier for the terrorists to get hold of a nuke.
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Isn´t that discrmination and therefore illegal? like if a company refuses to hire blacks, homosexual or skydivers? I studied in a catholic college and i remember one teacher saying literally "An atheus person in theory can be a good person, but in practice, it is not possible", so it seems the religious right have the same (wrong) principles all over the world.
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Why? that thread IMO was a troll. It was not even current, i remember sawing that picture quite a while ago. I am pretty sure Christel still thinks the same way, like me and other people. We focus on the child and many of you, focus on the flag and the casket. The thread would quickly degenerate again in personal attacks unless one side don´t post. Edited to add that when you remove the personal attacks and lock it, you only have left your initial post. And that is pretty much propaganda for someone´s agenda.
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Sorry, i am not a four star general with several masters in world strategy. What i can tell you, is what i would not do given the circumstances. I don´t know how anyone can be so sure it was the best and only option when even the historians, who know more facts than me and probably you, don´t seem to agree. It is even more unbeliebable to me how even now that it is done there is still people who not only things that it was the best and only option, but also celebrate it. I am off to celebrate the spanish inquisition, party on!!!! Edited to give you a straighter answer. Personally, I would have gone after the emperor and the rest of the government who didn´t want to sign the peace treaty. Without the government, the military would have had a hard time getting organized and continue the attack. Maybe the war would have continued, maybe the war would have ended. We will never know, but i think it would have been a much better choice, and very likely it would have spared many civilians lifes.
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^ Most likely as he has stated before, he would have RAN away as fast as he can.... Where have i stated that i would ran away? For god´s shake, look who is talking. If i don´t like my country, i would try to fix it instead of running away to another country. Unlike you. Dude, stop making a fool of yourself and brown nosing anyone who disagrees with me, and start putting some substance in your posts (ask for help if you are unable). If not, feel free to ignore me and my posts. And please, don´t get into personal attacks, with your attitude, i doubt anyone would like you in bonfire. (or anywhere else, for that matter )
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Any link to give your claim some proof? Let me guess, you haven´t ever left U.S.A soil.
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Sorry dude, the poor taste award has alreadt been assigned.
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I would just love to hear these options to win a war other than controlling the ground, killing the enemy, et al. Do some research on U.S.A vs U.R.RS, (Cold War) This is just an example, there is many more.
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Fair enough, but i never said that Hiroshima or Nagasaki were not good targets. I said they were not the best targets if ending the war alone was considered. Unfortunately, there was other tasks like research to be done, and that conditioned the choice of the target. Let me ask you something, If the USSR had use a-bombs to get rid of germany, do you see it as fair as when the U.S used them to finish Japan off? If Saddam Hussein had use A-bombs against any invasion force, would you think it is okay?
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´ What part of "No jokes about or references to pedophilia. None. you don´t understand More on this... No References to Pedophilia References to pedophilia can only be made in a factual context or in discussion of certain political and social issues. Outside of those limited contexts Dropzone.com will have a zero-tolerance policy to pedophilia and any reference thereto will be removed without explanation. Juanesky, people laughs at you when they check you accusation of paedophilia in the actual thread. I just want to save you some embarrasment, but you are not helping.
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Rehmwa, don´t let Juanesky fool you, he knows what he said and he is just back pedaling now. That is what happens when he posts without thinking which is almost everytime he posts. rasmack: So, today is the 60th anniversary of the bomb over Nagasaki. Was it necessary? 74.000 killed. 75.000 wounded. Was it worth it? markd_nscr986: Yes..........it was worth it.......... I commemorated the occasion by watching Juaneky: And I did a barbecue!!!! Link
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Don´t you ever get tired of brown nosing anyone who disagrees with me? Please, stop wasting bandwith and contribute with something useful, if not, silence will make you look wiser.
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Wrong, it was the emperor and the government who kept the war going, not the average citizen. At least that is what the historian sais. If that is true, how come nagasaki was pretty much untouched by the conventional bombing, and therefore was used to test the A-bomb? Who knows? my guess is that it was dropped over civilians rather than on the head of the government where probably would have had a bigger impact. The U.S is the only country that justifies such atrocities. Dude, my country´s record is not better than anyone else´s country, but at least we are not proud or even attempt to justify the spanish inquisition, or the mass killings in south america, just to mention only a couple.
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Juanesky already had a BBQ to celebrate Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so you may want to delete that from your what-is-next list. The concert alone would just seem poor taste. I think the worst part is the speech part. They are using those 3000+ innocent people for political gain.
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If you read Juanesky´s posts, you will understand why i made that comment. It was totally sarcastic.
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And you think it is alright to assess the destructive power of an A-bomb over civilians? Wouldn´t it have been much better over the emperor?
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So, let me guess, if they did it then we can do it too? Sure you can, but you will never have the moral high ground. It is just that you were showing as much disregard for human life as those bastards where doing. Celebrating the death of thousands of innocents wether necesary or not speaks volumes about you. Actually not, you see, i don´t have a book that tells me when, how and with who i should have sex, so i wouldn´t need to disguise it. Thank you for asking though, if i ever become gay, you will be the first one to find out. (I will whisper it to your neck )
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Both of you give very good points, but i am not argueing wether it was convenient, useful or desirable, what i am arguing was wether it was necesary. If as you said it was necesary and inevitable, why not drop the nuke wherever the emperor and the government were. Hell, with a nuke you don´t even need to aim. Yes, granted a lot of civilians would have died, but possible a second nuke would not have been necesary. Why didn´t you guys dropped the bomb over military targets? Even if civilians would have died anyway. You say hindsight is 20/20, but you are using that to justify the bombs. At the time you were not certain that 2 bombs would be enough, maybe you would have had to build more, so why not strike military targets rather than civilians, that would have helped the war effort if the japanese were more stubborn than what they really were. It is not the use of nukes what troubles me the most, but the target of innocent civilians.
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No class. That is very poor taste. I know that those people dieing had odd looking eyes, but they were still innocent people. When i read your post i thought about those extremist muslims dancing in the streets the 9/11. And i thought that you would look kinda cute with a turban and a robe.