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Good, then it should be easy for you to find. I, for one, will be waiting. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Are you sure about that - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Exactly once, IIRC. I seem to recall that the public accused him of using the attack to deflect attention from his other problems at the time, and as was par for the course with Clinton, he succumbed to public pressure and stopped the attacks. Right? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Use it in its proper context, Professor. From cnn.com I don't think that's so bad, do you? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Certainly we wouldn't want to offend someone by killing them with Israeli made bullets. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

I'm not positive, but I think that that might be considered treason (absolutely not covered by the First Amendment). Perhaps someone in the know can clarify. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Mmmmmm.......... bacon - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but isn't that huge change in your crime profiles going on right now? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Do you think that you'll have this viewpoint if/when the UK passes the US in assaults per capita? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

That's a hell of a way to think. I love it. People crying because the candidate they think is most suited for the job can't win while these same people refuse to vote the candidate they think is best suited for the job. If you ever wondered why the US is essentially a two party system you only need to go so far as the mirror. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

You're a sick mother fucker, Mac. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Aren't you one of the people who said that we should let the past be the past? I think you said it both about Kerry's Vietnam escapades as well as Bush's NG service. Didn't you? Clinton lied while serving as the President of the United States, right? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Source? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Point taken. I don't think though that I went to any oil companies to get the information I posted. Who knows though what organization sponsored the university studies and helped How Stuff Works to get their information. Damnit, where's Bill when you really need him? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

I found a few more facts about ethanol: A Student's guide to alternative fuel vehicles Methanol contains about half the energy of gasoline per gallon. Lower energy per gallon means fewer miles per gallon of fuel, not less power. ... Flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs) are specially designed vehicles that can operate on alcohol, gasoline or any combination of the two. FFVs have become quite popular with California fleets. Although some vehicles run on pure alcohol, FFVs operate on alcohol blends for two main reasons. Adding a small amount of gasoline improves the engine starting in cold weather and improves flame visibility in daylight. Pure alcohols burn with a nearly invisible flame in daylight. By adding gasoline, the flame is easier to see and therefore safer. ... FFVs are specially designed to tolerate the corrosive nature of alcohols. ... The amount of energy in alcohol fuels is different than gasoline. A gallon of gasoline in California contains approximately 111,500 Btu (which stands for British thermal units). By comparison, M85 contains approximately 65,000 Btu/gallon and E85 contains approximately 81,000 Btu/gallon. The lower energy content of these fuels will result in fewer miles per gallon or a shorter driving range. From How stuff works Let's assume that you drive a Toyota Camry, the best-selling car in America in 2000. We know that the Toyota Camry with automatic transmission gets 30 miles per gallon of gas on the highway. Gasoline is more efficient than ethanol. One gallon of gasoline is equal to 1.5 gallons of ethanol. This means that same Camry would only get about 20 miles to the gallon if it were running on ethanol. We also need to know how far you are traveling: Let's say from Los Angeles to New York, which is 2,774 miles (4,464.2 km), according to MapQuest.com. Through research performed at Cornell University, we know that 1 acre of land can yield about 7,110 pounds (3,225 kg) of corn, which can be processed into 328 gallons (1240.61 liters) of ethanol. That is about 26.1 pounds (11.84 kg) of corn per gallon. First, we need to figure out how much fuel we will need: 2,774 miles / 20 miles per gallon = 138.7 gallons (METRIC: 4,464.2 km / 8.5 km per liter = 525.2 liters) We know that it takes 26.1 pounds of corn to make 1 gallon of ethanol, so we can now calculate how many pounds of corn we need to fuel the Camry on its trip: 138.7 gallons * 26.1 pounds = 3,620.07 total pounds of corn (METRIC: 525.2 liters * 3.13 kg = 1,642 kg) You will need to plant a little more than a half an acre of corn to produce enough ethanol to fuel your trip. If you think you would save any money by using ethanol, guess again. Ethanol is expensive to process. According to the research from Cornell, you need about 140 gallons (530 liters) of fossil fuel to plant, grow and harvest an acre of corn. So, even before the corn is converted to ethanol, you're spending about $1.05 per gallon. "The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented," reads the Cornell report. The corn has to be processed with various enzymes; yeast is added to the mixture to ferment it and make alcohol; the alcohol is then distilled to fuel-grade ethanol that is 85- to 95-percent pure. To produce ethanol that can be used as fuel, it also has to be denatured with a small amount of gasoline. The final cost of the fuel-grade ethanol is about $1.74 per gallon. (Of course, a lot of variables go into that number.) The average price for a gallon of gas in the United States is about $1.40 as of August 9, 2001, according to GasPriceWatch.com. Ethanol for fuel fundamentaly uneconomic An acre of U.S. corn yields about 7,110 pounds of corn for processing into 328 gallons of ethanol. But planting, growing and harvesting that much corn requires about 1,000 gallons of fossil fuels and costs $347 per acre, according to Pimentel's analysis. Thus, even before corn is converted to ethanol, the feedstock costs $1.05 per gallon of ethanol. The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented. As many as three distillation steps are needed to separate the 8 percent ethanol from the 92 percent water. Additional treatment and energy are required to produce the 99.8 percent pure ethanol for mixing with gasoline. Adding up the energy costs of corn production and its conversion to ethanol, 131,000 BTUs are needed to make 1 gallon of ethanol. One gallon of ethanol has an energy value of only 77,000 BTU. "Put another way," Pimentel says, "about 70 percent more energy is required to produce ethanol than the energy that actually is in ethanol. Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 BTU." Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline. "That helps explain why fossil fuels -- not ethanol -- are used to produce ethanol," Pimentel says. "The growers and processors can't afford to burn ethanol to make ethanol. U.S. drivers couldn't afford it, either, if it weren't for government subsidies to artificially lower the price." Most economic analyses of corn-to-ethanol production overlook the costs of environmental damages, which Pimentel says should add another 23 cents per gallon. "Corn production in the U.S. erodes soil about 12 times faster than the soil can be reformed, and irrigating corn mines groundwater 25 percent faster than the natural recharge rate of ground water. The environmental system in which corn is being produced is being rapidly degraded. Corn should not be considered a renewable resource for ethanol energy production, especially when human food is being converted into ethanol." The approximately $1 billion a year in current federal and state subsidies (mainly to large corporations) for ethanol production are not the only costs to consumers, the Cornell scientist observes. Subsidized corn results in higher prices for meat, milk and eggs, because about 70 percent of corn grain is fed to livestock and poultry in the United States. Increasing ethanol production would further inflate corn prices, Pimentel says, noting: "In addition to paying tax dollars for ethanol subsidies, consumers would be paying significantly higher food prices in the marketplace." Nickels and dimes aside, some drivers still would rather see their cars fueled by farms in the Midwest than by oil wells in the Middle East, Pimentel acknowledges, so he calculated the amount of corn needed to power an automobile: The average U.S. automobile, traveling 10,000 miles a year on pure ethanol (not a gasoline-ethanol mix) would need about 852 gallons of the corn-based fuel. This would take 11 acres to grow, based on net ethanol production. This is the same amount of cropland required to feed seven Americans. If all the automobiles in the United States were fueled with 100 percent ethanol, a total of about 97 percent of U.S. land area would be needed to grow the corn feedstock. Corn would cover nearly the total land area of the United States. - By Roger Segelken I could go on, but won't. Be skeptical when the pro-ethanol literature comes from agricultural or other pro-ethanol organizations. My guess is that local regulations are calling for it as an additive and that has nothing to do with price. When is the last time you saw 'straight' gasoline? I can't remember the last time that I did. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

What about the Presidents before the current President? They don't need patents to profit from it, they need the infrastructure to manufacture and deliver it. Oil companies currently own the infrastructure to import oil and refine it to gasoline, diesel, kerosene, and other byproducts. (Although environmental legislation has discouraged them from building more refineries - so while demand has gone up the oil companies have been forced to begin importing gasoline. That is very expensive). Anyhow - back on track - if the oil companies were to invest in building the infrastructure to manufacture and deliver Ethonal you can you bet your ass that it would be expensive. Are you willing to pay even more for ethonal than you do for gasoline? Yeah, that's it. It's all about blood and politics. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Did your crystal ball tell you that? Or was it the mirror on the wall? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Kerry's service record in Vietnam, detestable. Kerry being 'honored' by them - come on now, it's not as though he could stop them. Hell, I could honor you for being the Grand Wizard of the KKK if I wanted to. I'm not a Kerry supporter by any means, but this whole being honored by the Vietnamese thing is just silly. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Agreed. 100% - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

How do you feel about using water canons for crowd control? How about tear gas? For some strange reason, those alternatives don't bother me nearly as much as weapons like those mentioned in the article. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

It's got its plusses and minues, that's for sure. Big minus for me is that there seems to be less accountability with the use non-lethals. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

I don't. I may agree with their cause, but hardly their methodology. Thankfully we have laws that will allow us to prosecute the offenders on multiple counts. Hopefully, we'll use them. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

That begs the question, whose fault is that? - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

Both Democrats and Republicans pay attention to the distribution of votes. Every vote for a particular party sends a message - the more votes that any party gets the more that the other parties are likely to try and align themselves with that parties ideals. Good enough? The only wasted vote is the vote not cast, don't waste yours. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.

I missed the part where I suggested that people should be desensitized to violence. We shouldn't be apathetic at all, we should be outraged. Agreed, I think. I didn't mean for that to come across as a personal challenge, nor did I ever suggest that I am for violence. As another poster already suggested, we would all prefer a world free of violence - unfortunately that isn't the case, at least not today. I guess the point I was trying to make is that I would gladly support any reasonable system to end violence once and for all. However, I can't think of a reasonable way to do that. That hardly means that I'm pro-violence though, I'm not. Anyhow - I have to get back to work, unfortunately. - Jim "Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed.