Ron

See you can't stop the BS. But why don't YOU start trying to act like an adult and see if others follow? Please show where I have used "OBOMBER...OBAMER.. OBAHMESSIAH... El Jeffe Clintonista." The best you have is ONE use of an accurate "Democrat Party" which you tried to blow out of proportion.... Again, try acting like an adult and see what happens. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Just because you posted a link does not mean MY use of that term fits YOUR reasons. That is the first major failure of this pathetic logic you are using. 2nd: * rePUBICan in posts made by Amazonreturned 105 results. * RePUBICans in posts made by Amazon returned 94 results *Democrat Party in posts made by Ron returned 10 results... And of those 10, only ONCE did I type "Democrat Party". The other 9 returns were just hits with the words in ANY order from ANYONE in that post. Go ahead, look em up. So ONCE I used a term YOU consider to be derogatory, and 199 times YOU have used a term anyone could see as derogatory. Lamer than normal. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The thread, no.... The discussion between us, yes. The point is a gun or any other thing is not responsible for an action. A gun can't kill anymore than a hammer can build a house. Uh, yes. A criminal coming up and demanding money is different in escalation than if the criminal had a weapon. Same with defense. Study's with prisoners show that THEY say the fear of encountering an armed person changes their behavior. What more do you want? You have the criminals themselves saying it. There is as much 'proof' to defend your position as their is 'proof' to defend mine. And this thread also was discussing the rate of new guns and the reduction in crime rates. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Proof to back that up? Cause it does not jive with reality. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/02/crimes.disabled/index.html So once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Awaiting your lame excuse..... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes, it still does: OVERALL the numbers are down. You can cherry pick the data to try to limit that impact, but it does show that a massive overall increase in firearm ownership has NOT increased overall gun crime. One of the major arguments of anti gun folks is that gun ownership increases gun crime..... This information shows that that is not true. Are there other reasons why crime rates have dropped? Sure, but the claim that more guns equal more gun crime is not supported by this report. That is not saying that more guns is the ONLY factor or even a MAJOR factor in the reductions... But it DOES show that more guns does not equal more gun crime like some claim. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And how would you select them? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But it does show that more guns does not equal more gun crime like some try to claim. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have still provided more than you. And backed my positions up with more than just rants... Which is also better than you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK, but there are crimes that are committed without weapons as well. So in both cases a weapon can only aid the person in either committing a crime, or helping to prevent the crime. The point being that weapons don't actually do anything but aid the person who wields it. A bad person can do more damage, and a good person can defend better. But data exists that can be used to support that position. From Rush's link: "Convicted American felons reveal in surveys that they are much more worried about armed victims than they are about running into the police." And I could agree that a person who had a gun committed a crime they would not have without the weapon... But that would be equally as impossible to prove. The point of my position is that CRIMINALS should be punished, not law abiding citizens. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep. Yep, now if some on here would understand that simple concept. We all don't want exactly the same things... But our differences are made greater by people who can't debate like adults. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I comprehend very well. You bitch about people that do the exact same thing you do. Democrat Party is not to Democratic Party as Republican Party is to RePUBICan Party. In other simpler words.... A member of the Democratic Party is a Democrat. To say a bunch of Democrats are the Democrat party may not be perfect, but it is not an INSULT in any way shape or form. Your use of RePUBICan is nothing but childish. There honestly is no comparison, except in your mind. For my example to be equal to yours.... I would have to have used something like DemoCRAPtic Party. So you admit that the best you can do is childish BS then. So your bitching about your ilk that use the same tactics is hypocrisy at best! Again, for your lame comparison to be the same, I would have to type "DemoCRAPtic" every time I wanted to imply "Democratic"... In other words..... You got nothing. Just for fun.... * rePUBICan in posts made by Amazonreturned 105 results. * RePUBICans in posts made by Amazon returned 94 results *Democrat Party in posts made by Ron returned 10 results... And of those 10, only ONCE did I type "Democrat Party". The other 9 returns were just hits with the words in ANY order from ANYONE in that post. Go ahead, look em up. So ONCE out of 12,351 posts have I EVER said "Democrat Party" Like I said, your argument is lame. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Agree... Now will you agree that individuals have both used a gun to both commit and to prevent crimes? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, I am just pointing out you are EXACTLY like the people you claim to hate. And the best you can do is bring up me calling the Democratic party the Democrat party. Like I asked before.... I guess an individual would be called a Democratic? EXACTLY.... Therefore it is not NEAR the same as you calling Republicans RePUBICans. Lame.... But not unexpected from you. Wow if that's your idea of not hating someone...... But I have heard that you hate in others what you see in yourself. And your posting history seems to back that up. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

He also used a SHOTGUN.... So your theory that handguns are dangerous is also shown to be wrong. Don't blame me... I am just using logic just like yours here. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Fact: I have provided cites, links, and even copied some references. Fact: You have not. The evidence is here for all to see, you are only fooling yourself. Have you noticed NO ONE has supported your claims of you providing anything but rants? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

What do YOU call a member of the party? Are you a Democratic, or a Democrat? Lamer than normal...even for you. Plus I see how you avoided the hypocrisy of how you claim to hate Rush for his use of stupid childish names... Yet you spout your very own versions. The funnest thing is you claim to hate people who buy into Rush and his childish BS... Yet you use the SAME tactics! You are JUST LIKE RUSH in delivery, just a different message. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The fact that you are lazy and don't bother to look something up does not change the fact they have been provided time after time. They have been provided and you keep bringing lame excuses so you can ignore them. You being lazy does not equal something not happening. I get the feeling I could fly the authors to your house and have them read the reports to you and you would find some excuse as to why they would not be valid. Thats your MO. That is because you are unable to compete with facts. And our posting history proves that. You yelling victory and running away does not change the facts that have been provided at all. You being too lazy to look at them does not change the fact they have been presented and proven you to be ignorant on the topic. You are full of sound and fury.... But signify nothing. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The fact that no one has answered you pretty much says no one is glorifying it. And you will see no one has said it was a nice thing to do... Of course, dying at the hands of a criminal is not a nice thing to do either. Hook turns and cross braced canopy's have killed and yet this form has people talking about how cool they are. I don't think anyone likes the idea of killing.... And no posts here have backed your theory. If you could just get the criminals to agree that people don't need to die... Then we might be getting somewhere. I don't think anyone moves to a place where they think they need a gun. Maybe you just didn't notice or were lucky. Think of it as an AAD. They cost about the same and you hope you don't need either. As would most people. But criminals don't obey city lines. And you know this from???? Ever carry a gun, or are you just acting like the whuffo that says skydiving is stupid? You calling people "idiots" is your idea of not being a trouble maker? You thinking only YOUR opinion is correct is not arrogant? You really don't seem to be interested in others opinions... Just yelling yours at them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Glock 19, or 23. Galco IWB or standard. Sig 239. Galco standard, or CompTac paddle. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep, I see you are right up there with him. Hard for you to claim you are better, or to claim how bad he is, when you use the *exact* same tactics. Wow, that is just another lame attempt by you. You do know that I said, "And I dated a girl that had BIG connections in the Democrat party"..... This is a prime example of the type of lame distractions that weaken your position. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wow you have trouble understanding the English language don't you? I have provided more than you EVER have.... All you have provided is ignorant rants... The proof is in both our posts. No, I provided links even in this thread.... I DO expect people who want to discuss a topic to know something about the topic and you have not been able to function in that capacity. You just ignore the links and cites since you can't back your position up with anything but rants. Time after time I have proven you know nothing about the topic.... Time after time I have provided links and cites. You have provided NOTHING but rants... And the proof is here for all to see. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Without being able to prove it EITHER WAY... Then he can't back his position either. Yet he demands US prove our position. Yet you have jumped on ME making this request and not him. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Provide your PROOF please. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes, no GUN ever committed a crime. It is simply impossible for a gun to commit one..... Just like a hammer cannot build a house. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Can you help clear up my confusion with your position? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334