Ron

It would also not be possible with a car. It would also not be possible without criminals. You want to blame the objects.... But that would be like blaming the car. Sane people want to blame the person who committed the *crime*. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep... How much do you want to bet that those guns were illegally owned? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You can't find one single pices of data to support your position. There are three major differences between us: 1. I bring facts to debunk your positions, you bring emotional babble. 2. I don't wish harm on others to 'win' an online debate: "let's see what you will say when it is YOUR CHILD AND WIFE who are killed by the next Cho"--georgerussia. 3. I keep my word : "No, I just ignore Ron posts" --georgerussia. This reply has been your style all along... Full of emotion, insults, and devoid of facts. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

There you go trying to obscure instead of just admitting you were wrong. And yes... you clearly were wrong....Again it is here for everyone to see. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Didn't brag about it... I did it and it is here for all to see. You mean by proving your positions to be incorrect and using facts and data to back up our positions and destroy yours? At least I didn't wish your family to die like you did mine "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

This: I am amazed that people think making people register guns will do anything.... Its not like criminals will fill out the paperwork. And I am amazed that people think bans will work... How did the whole drug ban work out for us? And prohibition CREATED powerful criminals more than it did to stop crime. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wow maybe the dumbest thing I have heard. What if the pair flips and now the "conditional only reserve side" guy is on the main side? It is not like the AFF course is difficult. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Coriolis drift is the one that always amazes me. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Some more German gun laws for you.... since you clearly don't know them. Now in truth, the Treaty did not really apply to individuals.... But the German Govt was free to apply it to them and did. more for you http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf Jews were not allowed.. just like the US Gun Control Act of 1968 made it difficult for black people to buy a weapon legally. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Still waiting on you to explain "people like me"..... And the reason you stated it was to defend George's position. (Also totally ignoring that the reason he was pulled over was a missing tag). Otherwise you would just be posting irrelevant crap for no reason. For example: "The sky is blue." While true, it has no relevance to this discussion... so where you just posting random crap, or trying to support a position? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I don't agree with this one. And it will make the chances of a third party candidate less than it is now, and that is already zero. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

+1 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The salient points are bolded by me. So you are not able to see how a law restricting weapons to Jews is EXACTLY what I said when I typed, "They were banned for the Jews"????? And you are not able to muster enough ability to remember that the Jews were rounded up like cattle and killed by the millions AFTER they were disarmed? In this case... It is clear you don't. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh look you can't debate with facts, so your start personal attacks!!!! I am glad you are not the type to want a weapon.... You don't seem to be able to control your emotions nor think logically even online. People like you should not be allowed to own weapons. I see, the best you can do is go emotional and wish pain on people you cant agree with..... that is not very mature. I disagree with you since you don't have any standing in reality, but that does not mean I wish you or your family to come to harm to "win" some stupid online argument. And I provided links that prove you are talking out of your ass... just like normal. Lame.... English is CLEARLY not your native language. In the sentence... "No, I just ignore Ron posts. " There is ZERO reference to time frame. Face it.. .Once again you are caught with an emotional argument that is not supported by the facts. You wish harm to come to my family so you can win some lame online argument. It is a good thing you don't want a weapon. People with your mindset are often the ones that snap. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Maybe you should check the time line.... You do know that him having the illegal gun didn't prevent him from committing the bombing right? George's claim that you support is that traveling around with a gun can PREVENT these acts.... But he had the gun AND Ryder truck full of explosives and drove them both 250+ miles right up to the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building killing 168 and injuring more than 680. And McVeigh had built and tested a smaller bomb and didn't get pulled over then either. PLUS McVeigh and Nichols allegedly robbed gun collector Roger E. Moore in his home of $60,000 worth of guns, gold, silver, and jewels, transporting the property in his own van. So they drove a van filled with 60k of weapons gold and silver and didn't get pulled over. So, for you to claim that your position is true based on he being caught AFTER the fact is not supported by the evidence. And if he had had a plate on his getaway vehicle he would not have been pulled over in the first place. So the best you could argue is that car licensing failures lead to his arrest. AND the Columbine duo had driven to test bombs and shoot and THEY ALSO had not gotten caught.... All this leads to your position not being supported in any way shape or form with any facts. BTW... STILL waiting for you to answer what you meant by "People like you"....... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

They were banned for the Jews. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Half credit.... He was pulled over for not having a license plate and arrested for both reasons. And the VIN number of the truck had already been used to identify him: So, like I said.... You get half credit but your answer is not really correct. He was pulled over for not having a plate, arrested for not having a plate and having a weapon... But he would have been identified anyway and arrested at a later point. BTW.. STILL waiting on you to explain your "people like me" Comment.... Could you just man up and answer? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, that's what happens when you say something and are proven wrong, so you try to change what you said. Sure, how about right here: Post # 187 here http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3759817;search_string=drive;#3759817 It was bullet point #4 in your, "Yes, because it was very easy for them to obtain guns illegally. However if the guns were banned, things would change dramatically: " BS rambling. And I pointed out that they were not allowed to have weapons at all. had weapons that were illegal under the 1934 NFA, and had and used EXPLOSIVES on these trips they took. Once again, you are proven to be 100% wrong and trying to change the subject.... But your own words prove you wrong. And you sound like the typical anti gun person... Full of emotion and devoid of any facts.... Plus when proven wrong, you just ignore that and continue with your emotional BS. Another perfect example. You in Post # 273 of this thread http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3764071;page=11;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;: I proved you wrong and provided you with a link that proved you once again wrong and asked you to explain in post # 312 of that same thread.... You know the one that said: People with disabilities are 50 percent more likely to be victims of violent crimes than are people without disabilities, according to a government study released Thursday According to the study, the first of its kind, the violent crime rate was 32 per 1,000 for disabled people 12 or older. That's compared to 21 per 1,000 for the nondisabled for the same age group. Then you said in post# 395, "No, I just ignore Ron posts. " Which is CLEARLY not true since you are still replying to me. Wrong AGAIN! You should have said: "I just ignore Ron's posts when he proves me wrong and I can't provide a way to answer without looking silly." Still waiting for your answer to that BTW.... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well you run out of arguments all the time, yet you just skip to another incorrect statement after another. Remember, those Columbine kids drove around with explosives in their car to a place to detonate them and didn't get pulled over like you claimed they would if they drove a GUN somewhere to shoot it. We do get annoyed when someone claims to know the answers, yet gets so many of their facts wrong, ignores when we correct them, and then claims WE don't know anything. You can only prove someone wrong so many times before you realize that they don't care about the facts and only care about their opinion. I would not call that civilized discussion from your side either. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Care to break those down by how many had criminal records or were involved in illegal activity? And compare those to how many on his list were law abiding citizens that prevented themselves from being injured. No one wants criminals to have guns... you just don't want citizens to have them either. And before you try to claim something else... Your posts speak to that conclusion. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Except in my case, *I* can't just print money. I manage my budget and I expect others (to include the Govt) to do the same. You need to get out more if you think most people are like us and have no debt. http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080720/NEWS01/807200404/1002/NEWS01 Nearly two-thirds of Americans -- 61%, continue adding to their debts because they feel confident in their income and ability to pay off their debt. http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=80270 Prior to the recent, unprecedented string of deficits, Kasriel says there have been only seven other years American households have been so upside-down in their finances since 1929. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/proof-americans-living-beyond-means "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You said you didn't have/could not get any HC... You said you were a vet with an honorable discharge.... So, one of those comments is not true. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And I don't disagree with that.... But he said "no one seems to be upset over this." So you agree that no one is upset over this? Or do you agree that the MEDIA is not jumping all over it? Two VERY different things. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Easily.... But the cool part is since I am positive on my balance sheets the way things are that I don't even have to think about it. I make more than I spend, invest plenty, and play with the rest. You call it "waste", I call it living my life. Since I invest more than I "waste", have never taken a day of unemployment, never taken a single dime of welfare, am ahead of my savings goals for my retirement, already have 6 mths expenses in reserve, already have ZERO credit card debt, have both my and my wifes 2006 cars TOTALLY paid for, and already have enough saved to pay cash for my *next* car.... I think I should be allowed to "waste" as much of my income as I want. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I see.... When your party wins something it is a referendum. When your party looses something, it is an anomaly. If the R's win more in the House and Senate..... You still going to hold that line? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334