Ron

[dejected voice]Sorry[/dejected voice] BTW the link is funny...I like the "cup of STFU" better though... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well if you are Muslim then you know the Qur'an right? 023.005: "Who abstain from sex, Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy" OK, you could claim that one was the "wife or a slave" 023.026: "Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure and women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity: these are not affected by what people say: for them there is forgiveness, and a provision honourable" Nothing about men and men. And my favorite 053.045 AN-NAJM : "That He did create in pairs,- male and female," Flat out says men and women. Not a very good muslim. And the Torrah has a few words about it as well (Lev. 18:22). "18:22 You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act." I don't know the New Testament....But you being the good Muslim you would not care anyway. You are boring me....Apologize or talk to the wall. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I'd like to point out that there was a smiley face after that sentance. It looked alot like this (). Its called a joke. However the other points are quite correct. Forgive me for the joke, I was only tying to inject humor...Ya know like the "Chairborne Ranger" and as someone else said to "buy tampons." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are boring me. Oh, when you appologize for calling me your "enemy" I might *think* about giving a shit about your questions and crying. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In case you missed it the terrorists have a history of boobie trapping bodies, playing dead and then trying to kill you, playing dead and waiting for you to help, and then blowing themselves up to kill you. Well this guy thought the same thing and now as Rhino put it "Has a bullet where his brain used to be". I think surrendering would ahve been better than dead. But American troops don't have that choice since the bad guys will kill them on TV with a big knife. Bullshit, they have plenty of choices.... 1. They could not pick up a gun and try to kill soldiers. This in fact is the FASTEST way to get rid of us. 2. They could fight to the death. 3. They couldfight better and not get shot 4. They could surrender, and actually mean it. Our medics will patch them up and yes, they will go to jail, but will not be killed. 5. They could not fight dirty and then our guys will not think they are still in danger around wounded men. They have PLENTY of options. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In case you missed it some of those soldiers are in jail. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Thats not what anyone said...We have said that unless you have been a soldier, you have no clue to the situation...You may make uneducated quesses and play "Chairborne Ranger" all you like...Just don't expect anyone to care. Why don't we just stick to skydivers since we all are skydivers? Do you think a whuffo understands skydiving enough to pass judgement on how a skydiver deals with a mal? Do you think a whuffo knows enough to write procedures for skydiving? If you have never served you are a military whuffo, so don't be surprized when those who have worn the uniform don't care about your uneducated opinion. I would not be so arrogant to try and tell the professional bus driver how to do his job. But don't let that stop you....Its kinda funny. So have you studied the experiences of 100 soldiers? See one thing you seem to miss is that part of our training IS studying the mistakes and succeses of other soldiers....So again, I bet I, and anyone else that has served, have done more homework than you about this. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure lets play: And quite true. I have a few gay friends. They don't tend to call me "enemy". Keith and I had some very good conversations. Amazing what you can do if you don't act like a victim and insult anyone that disagrees with you. Which it is. Acurrate since I don't live in WA state. FACT. Yep, when a minority jumps in my face and starts calling the "enemy", I tend to not give a shit about their cause. When he claims to represent the gay populace he does more harm than good. Why would I go out of my way to help a guy that calls me his "enemy"? That makes no sense. Any doubt this? Well he is. Also a true statement. Also true...Same could be said for Jessie Jackson. Did I ever say that? Nope, try reading it again. I said I don't like MILITANT folks trying to shove their agenda in my face. Like I said I have gay friends and they don't call me the "enemy"...Wanna be my enemy? Simple call me yours. Want my support? Try asking, not demanding. Since you like to quote me...How about you quote the other stuff: All your babble, none of which I said. Go around your house and throw out all the stuff made in China, El Salvador, Sri Lanka, Honduras, Mexico...ect then talk. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Uh...this is not a PM...PM's are those little things under "messages". My "claims" are that you have a victim complex. Anyone that reads your posts will see that. It is evidenced by your contiuned cries of "Second Class Citizen". Go talk to the wall, maybe it will care. Your attitude is the single biggest block to your rights. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Decision Alti: You make your choice. Hard Deck: You do it (or have done it), or deal with what you have below that. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No offense...But a Dr. vs some skydivers.... I'd side with the Doc. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Here let me send you this: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1631691#1631691 Read the part at the bottom this time "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Don't be pissed at me because your lifestyle was voted down. If fact I could have cared less till you tried to slam your opinions on me and call me the "enemy". See more tripe about how people try to keep you down. For those playing along at home.... I love how you attack people who congratulated you on your marriage: Your attitude is the reason that gays have a bad image. Edit...Now if you would like to talk about WAL-MART feel free. If you wish to lament how you have been treated badly by the "enemy"....Talk to the wall, maybe it will care. Hell, if you want you can PM me....Keith and I have had some wonderful conversations via PM...He has class. I would like to meet him someday. My only caveat is that you can't call me "enemy" in the PM's...Other than that have fun. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Explain where you got your knowledge of ROE and combat tactics? Rambo movies? Got the PC version of Rainbow 6? How many, if any, people I have dispatched is not important, Nor is it any of your damn business. Your clear lack of knowledge of tactics and ROE is the issue. You are a whuffo making tactical comments. No better than a whuffo trying to tell you how to skydive. Actually war is not about killing. It is about gaining your objective. And it is a tool used by POLITICANS. This I will tell you, I have 100% knowledge than you in this area, but you claim to know more. Myself (hell anyone that has been trained), the soldier involved, and the Judge know much more than you, but please don't let that stop you from being an "Expert". Just like the other whuffos. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure he does...We can both marry women and neither of us can marry a man. SAME "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Very responsible of you....I'm impressed. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ah, no....The US troops would be called "invaders" "liberators"...ect. Insurgent: n : a member of an irregular armed force that fights a stronger force by sabotage and harassment [syn: guerrilla, guerilla, irregular] "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

We call ALL of the folks trying to kill folks "insurgents". We call ALL of the folks not trying to kill folks "Citizens". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ah, no. If I know you, have been on jumps with you and I think you are safe...*maybe*. Its nothing personal, but with 50-100 jumps you most likely will not have the control needed, and the passenger and I would be sitting ducks. A Tandem pair with the drouge out cannot avoid you. I have to think about the safety of the passenger. Peep THIS and you will see why its a bad idea. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I get 150 a day to spend the whole day with someone. I can't do AFF or Tandems if I am coaching all day. I have yet to have a single person say it was not worth it. Now I do plenty of free jumps, even free AFF jumps...But if they want me to devote the day to them, I ask to get paid. People pay more than 50 bucks a day to be on big ways. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I guess CNN said so. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No actually "your type" is a reference to the military whuffos like you that think they know more about combat situations than the guys that are IN combat. No, its called logical. How can you claim to know something is correct in a given the situation if you have never been in that situation, or anything like that situation....Thats like a skydiving whuffo asking why you just don't try to fall into a pool if your chute does not open. OK wanna play that game? How long and what unit did you serve? Cause I bet I'll win this one. What would you think of me if I came to you and started trying to tell you about being a Machinist? Ya know how you or your buddies could have done better. But when I tell you that I have never been a machinist and you bring that up I tell you that it does not matter...Any idiot can tell if something will work. I would hope you would see how ridiculus it is for you (who has never been in the military and gets all his intel from CNN,Fox, and MSNBC) to claim to know more about a situation than Me a former Infantryman (ya know the ones who do the shooting) the Judge whos job it is to rule on if a shoot was good or not (I bet he has ruled on more of these than you or I), and the trooper who WAS ACTUALLY THERE. You wanna jump me for not having been there....Well last I checked you did not a CIB. He does. What makes you think you know more than him? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sorry...If ya want I'll delete the post Make them watch "Pack like a Pro" and put them to work. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then what makes you think you are qualified to make judgments? Thats like a whuffo making judgements about skydivers and skydiving. Ah WAR is about killing. in this case you are nothing more than a whuffo. Did I say that serving makes yo a better person? Nope. I DID say that serviving means you know TONS more than someone that has never served....Do you believe skydiving reports in the newspaper? You are a whuffo when it comes to combat. You know just as much about war or the military as the guy that has never jumped and thinks its stupid. Lets be clear...I NEVER said that serving makes you better. I DO SAY that you do not have the frame of reference, or the knowledge to make educated comments about combat and warfare. Did I say that? Nope. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Never said we just started to...you claim we don't. If we did not use ROE...The place would be a parking lot already. AH, see the thing is he WAS a threat. See the guy in the situation thought he was a threat, and so did the judges that said he was a threat. Now lest think about the logically for a second...We have: 1. A soldier that recieved fire from the Mosque, and after a fire fight with an enemy that is known for bobbie trapping bodies, and "surrendering" then opening fire...Finding a wounded insurgent "faking" to be dead, not asking for help, not trying to surender...Playing dead. So we have the guy actually IN the situation. We also have a judge that I bet had plenty more info about this case than you or I have saying that the shooting was justified. And we have me that has Military service and agrees with both the guy on the scene, and the judge that rulled on it. On the other hand we have: 2. You. A guy that got his info from a news artical. And a guy that has at every opportunity slammed the US. Do you have more intel than me? Nope, I bet you have the SAME amount of info that I do. Do you have more info than the JUDGE? I doubt it. Do you have more knowledge about this that THE PEOPLE INVOLVED? Again, I doubt it. Now he might have tried to cover his actions. So while your opinion is equal to mine since we have the same intel....I think that the soldier (who might be trying to hide something) and the JUDGE who had more intel than you or I....Knows more than you or I about this. I also find it funny that you NEVER side with the US, and always defend the insurgents......Even when you don't have anything other than a news report to base your evidence on. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334