Ron

Lower exit is one reason. Different is another, still another is that you think that with AFF someone is there to "help" you. I would just go....Never wait on what you want. Well depending on HOW you did the AFF jump it could be considered as a level passed. AFF requires 7 levels to be passed and some require one or two solos....One should be a low solo. SL requires 5 SL jumps, on the last three you have to perform Dummy ripcord pulls. Then you get to do a Hop n Pop which is a solo freefall from around 4 grand..(Like the AFF low solo). Then longer and longer freefalls till you meet all the requirements. Takes about 15 jumps to do it all. Either program will work and after 50 jumps no one will be able to tell which program you did (Other than some AFF students are really scared of low exits.) I would say send Crutch a PM and ask him since he is an Instructor in Palatka and ask him. If I was local, I'd offer to help you out, but I am several hours away. If you want it, do it! My ideal program would be: One Tandem Four SL jumps Two Hop n Pops Then a modified coach/AFF program. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If you go over 30 days you have to repeat the last level. One option, if funds are an issue, is to take a Static line program. It will take longer to finish, but you will be able to do more than one jump a mth, and if you go over 30 days with AFF you have to repeat anyway. Skydiving is a sport where CURRENCY is very important. St. Mary's has a DZ listed in the Data base http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/dropzone/review.cgi?ID=945 And they teach SL. Palatka has a DZ that does SL http://www.dropzone.com/dropzone/Detailed/178.shtml Palatka charges 55 bucks a jump, so you could make three for every one AFF. DZ.commer Art Shaffer (Crutch) is an Instructor there, and by all accounts a good guy. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=crutch; Edit: as of 5/10 St. Mary's seems to not be flying. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

slacker "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

There is a post on here about bogus riggers.... Well I personlly feel thats just wrong as hell, but my question is this. Should you list ratings you HAD? For example, this year I let my SL "I" go....It is very hard to do SL in FL. But I had the rating, used it for 9 years. I also am thinking of dropping my PRO. Since I have not done a demo in a few years (I have kept it current by doing the jumps for an S&TA)...But since I have not done enough Demos....I see no need to keep the rating since if I decide to do Demo's again, I will have to train up quite a bit before I am ready for it...And getting the PRO back should be easy if I am really ready to do a live demo again. But am I wrong for having it listed? I had them, I used them. Its not like the knowledge dissapeared when I didn't send in my money to the USPA. So, should a person list an expired rating? Some never expire (riggers, pilots tickets....ect) but what about the ones that do? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The thing is the first group gets instruction, the second can and is being talking into it... The third is hamering in. The programs in place that we already have work on the first two groups.....Now what to do about the third? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Uh.....Well.....OK "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nonsense, all they have to do is vote "No". Then the canidate is dead in the water. They can use the fact that in this case without a few Dem votes these appointees are going nowhere. That is enough to give them barganing power. Since an apointment takes 60% voting "No" is just as effective as a filibuster. This I have already agreed with. However I think the fact that you can waste valuble time reading from a phone book is stupid. Never confuse lack of action with action. A Filibuster is nothing but wasting time. and in this case a filibuster will do nothing that a simple yes/no vote would not do. No, but team fighting. And the repubs do that now. They send a person that could not get appointed and then back off and send a compromise. It happens all the time. The Filibuster is not needed to do this. Needing 60% is all that is needed in this case. The Dems are forcing the issue. All the really need to do is vote "No" on the apointees and the issue is dead. A filibuster is awaste of time, and never really changes things. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK I did. Yep you said both want big government.Actually you said who needs Dems to do it seince the repubs are...then added "more government infulence in our lives" was pure topping. You stated that we don't need Dems since the Republicans are doing the same thing...Slam #1. The added #2 with the influence in our lives thing. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

With 104 jumps your choices of how to eat are not very good. About the only "industy" job you can do is pack....And packers don't jump much. The best thing for you to do is find a nice night job near a full time DZ. You can live on the DZ and still have money to jump. This I did. Worked out well....I used to jump all day then go work. So I could afford to jump and eat well. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

To be honest GTA started with a slam on Republicans. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Cause you have a kickin caboose? Or cause you are part wet back? I know the Irish in you will kick my butt once the Mexican in you takes a nap first. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK thanks, I kinda remember that....I remember the thought of pulling out an eye not being able to do much good. And the right hand part seems to be against solo sex. but lisamariewillbe gave me some I was totally unaware of. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Do you know the verse so I can look it up? If its ok, I'll stick to the OT where it say sex is supposed to be fun "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Correct the best I can find is: Gen. 38:9-10: But Onan knew that the child would not be considered his. So whenever he had sexual relations with his brother's wife, he withdrew prematurely so as not to give his brother a descendant. What he did was evil in the Lord's sight, so the Lord killed him too. And you are correct that the sin would be the lust, not the act. That I 100% agree on. I tend to wish that most people keep their opinions out of my bedroom. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well: Negro: Whats wrong with that...Like you said they have the "United Negro College Fund"...so I don't see how they can find it offensive when they use it for a fund. Colored: What about the NAACP? How can it be "bad" if the have a group dedicated to it? Black: Well, they are not really black. But then again I am not really white either, and it seems they don't have a problem calling me white. I like the old Star Trek episode where the Andorians called Kirk "Pink Skin" (OK the fact I knew that scares even me). Nigger: Well if they want that term to die....Maybe they should stop using it? My Grandmother called Blacks "Darkies"...She was in no way racist, but in the small town she grew up in thats what they called black people. She was too old to change with the times and in the small farm town she lived in no one cared....But it made me laugh everytime she said it, and if we tried to correct her, she would just look confused. "Well, they are darker". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I think you proved MY point. We had this before. I said that the OT was part of the Bible that Christians worship. She said : "I said Bible. I'm Catholic. Sex is sinful unless it's for one thing only"...And in fact the Bible does not say that. Infact it says the opposite. "The woman's right to sexual intercourse is referred to as onah, and it is one of a wife's three basic rights (the others are food and clothing), which a husband may not reduce." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

There was a segment on some comedy show where a black guy was using "African American" and one of the black "activists" (I think it was supposed to be Jessie Jackson) on the show told him that the new term was "Black" again. The guy went off saying "When the hell did that happen? Why I am I the last to know, Damnit, I wish we could just stick to one damn name....ect" Pretty damn funny. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Do you consider the Old Testament as part of the Bilble? The Torah, is what you would call the Old Testament. It is called the Written Torah or the Tanakh. And even in the NT I don't see (Although I will admit I don't know it that well) of any requirement to as you say: Get permission to masturbate, not being allowed to look at your wife sexually, or become aroused until you're in the BEDROOM with the lights off in the proper missionary position. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So not true. The Torah does not prohibit pre-marital sex. The religions strongly condem the irresponseibility of sex outside of the context of marriage, not the book. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How about age? Or how much is the strength gone before BEFORE it is easy to see? Like I said tests were done on older materials that were kept inside and they showed to be weaker. Also the only way I can think of checking the webbing is by a pull test...And that would most likley prove to be a destructive test. Atleast one rig maker is tossing around the idea of a "life time" for their rigs. Some riggers will aready not pack things over 20 years old. How do you feel about a "life time?" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I'm not a fan of the "Nuclear Option". But I am even less of a fan to a minority that instead of just voting "No" waste time. See in this case they could just vote "No" and then the appointment does not happen. All they are doing now is wasting time, then voting it down.. Just vote the damn thing down and move along. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well no one really loves me in bonfire....Or in SC....Or in General....Or in....Ah hell, now I'm depressed. Atleast some like me in "Incidents" (not to be confused with how others want to see me IN Incidents) and Relative Work folks seem to tolerate me, hell even some listen to me. The Tunnel folks are just pissed at me cause I have been to Bragg. But as of yet, no PM'ed naked pics of hot chicks. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Am I the only one that when I first say that thought this thread was going in VERY different direction? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

See the thing is (which I think is cool) is that these two didn't even consider race when they did it. They did it not to make fun of racism, or any such crap. They did it because it was funny...It would also be funny if it was two whites, two blacks....Ect. Race had NOTHING to do with it, but some who go around looking to make things racist are trying to make this racist. Racism will only go away when not only the people quit being racist, but only when people quit trying to make things into race issues. This is not a race issue and some dumbasses are trying to make it one. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Interesing history...But still stupid. Just vote no and move along. How much time has been wasted just delaying the vote? I'd rather they vote and move on. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334