Spizzzarko

Dudes, I posted this in another thread. I think when people are talking about staged flares they are just passing on bad information! Think of it this way. in it's simplist form there are 3 areas to a landing. 1. Approach 2. Plane out 3. stopping To transition from your approach to plane out you need to give input to the canopy wether it be toggles or rears. Now do you stop from there? NO. You have to give more input to the canopy to transition from plane out to stopping correct? Now I'm going to introduce a little bit more of a radical concept here, so everyone take a second and catch your breath..... Let's first of all get rid of this concept of a two or three staged flare. You don't come in flare halfway, stop, and then flare the rest of the way do you? If so you are doing it wrong. Does that method work? Yes, sometimes, but we are a little more advanced than that, aren't we? I believed this concept was brought about by the ld timers who were transitioning from F-111 to ZEPO canopy's. They used this when their canopy's would ballon up when they flared all the way like they were used to with their F-111's. Let's take the three area's that I spoke of earlier and make them into just one. 1. Landing You need to start thinking this way because, when you are transitioning to smaller faster canopy's, landing doesn't just happen when your altitude reaches zero. Many of the high speed low drag dudes here will probably agree with me that landing for them starts just after they get everything stowed away after opening. Watch them, and talk to them, and you will soon see that every manuever they make is to set up for landing. There's really no more "Playing Around" when you get to small canopy's. Now let's get back to Landing. Your approach flare and stopping should all be one smooth movement. Only flare as much as you need to, to maintain the altitude above the ground that you want. Try looking at the horizon during this part of you landing. I want you to standup right now and look at a far door knob or something out your window on the horizon. Now stand on your toes, and then back on your flat feet. Do you see the difference in your sight picture? Now how much have you actually moved? 3 to 4 inches if that. Now that you have that mastered, think about continuing your flare only as much as you need to, so that your sight picture doesn't change! I told you it was going to get radicle! Now that we are flying flat and level over the gound we eventuall need to stop. Well just keep flaring, and maintaining your sight picture. Eventually you will have flared so much that your canopy will no longer beable to produce the amount of lift required to hold your body in the air. This is usually when you put your feet down on the ground. I can't tell you how many people I see that don't fly their canopy to it's full potential, and then complain that their canopy doesn't have enough flare to support their fat ass's, and that they need to get a Velocity because it has a more powerfull flare Learn to flare your canopy all of the way. You should not have to run out your landings very much if you are flaring it correctly, even on low wind to no wind days. If you change your thought process, and learn to fly your canopy to it's fullest then you will be unstopable! This is what I tell people if they are having problems landing. The FLARE FLARE FLARE FLARE Technique is not altogether a bad technique for those whom are just starting out. I have found that if you tell students a lot of shit then they perform shitty. Tell them only what they need to know to get the job done. The worst thing that I have to deal with as an instructor is the 100 jump wonder skydivers on the DZ that try to teach, and end up teaching the wrong stuff like this staged flare shite to a student. So I go and ask student snuffy why he didn't flare all the way, and he tells me that his new buddy upjumper over there told him to make a staged flare... Do you see what I'm getting at? You should take everything you hear at the DZ with a grain of salt, and look at whos giving you the info.

Ya, But there's always going to bo those people out there. Dont get mad just land away from them. Besides swooping people isn't always the best idea in the world. Trust me I KNOW!

You can learn a lot about the controls of your canopy by kiting it, as you are usually turned around looking at it, and watching what every controll input does. It's usually not a very good idea to kite your canopy in the landing area thou. Not because it can anooy other jumpers like yoink, but some times dust devels can come through the landing area withou much notice. Having the sail out over your head when a dust devel comes along is an invitation to death. If it bothers you that people are kiting their canopy's after landing, then don't land there. I don't let ego rule where I land, and if you are it's a rather bad habit to get into my young paduwon learner...

All right guys, I'm going to admit that this V=h* the square root of PI shit is confusing me. So as far as the actual Physics of it, I'm not quite sure how it all works, but I'm sticking by my posts. The more canopy you have over your head = more drag in a stalled situation.

All you have to do is feel the zen of the landing man...

Yes canopy's are responsive in the stall. Take a PD-300 (a common student canopy 9-cell). When it is stalled you can actually steer it in the stall. It wants to fly backwards, but you can steer it around if you are carefull with it. The moment (Moment being defined as a distance from two items) between the wing and the jumper comes into play with responsivenes in turns and flares. It has longer lines correct? What you tell the canopy to do will take longer for it's effects to come back down the lines. IE you flare the small canopy and the big canopy at the same time, the person under the smaller canopy will pendulum out in front of the canopy before the person under the bigger canopy. The person under the bigger canopy has further to travel because the lines are longer. As far as there being 90' more material over your head, YES it's going to slow you down. All of that stuff over your head creats more drag. go and stall a pd-300 and go and stall and stall a velocity 79. What do you think is going to hurt more? Once you are in the stall laminar airflow over the top of the canopy has deceased, Do you go back into free fall? Why not? It's because of the drag of the material over your head. In the most basic explanation it begins to work like a round canopy by displacing air to slow you down, but unlike the round canopy a stalled square doesn't cup as much air as a round does, thus it's decent rate is higher than that of the round.

I think when people are talking about staged flares they are just passing on bad information! Think of it this way. in it's simplist form there are 3 areas to a landing. 1. Approach 2. Plane out 3. stopping To transition from your approach to plane out you need to give input to the canopy wether it be toggles or rears. Now do you stop from there? NO. You have to give more input to the canopy to transition from plane out to stopping correct? Now I'm going to introduce a little bit more of a radical concept here, so everyone take a second and catch your breath..... Let's first of all get rid of this concept of a two or three staged flare. You don't come in flare halfway, stop, and then flare the rest of the way do you? If so you are doing it wrong. Does that method work? Yes, sometimes, but we are a little more advanced than that, aren't we? I believed this concept was brought about by the ld timers who were transitioning from F-111 to ZEPO canopy's. They used this when their canopy's would ballon up when they flared all the way like they were used to with their F-111's. Let's take the three area's that I spoke of earlier and make them into just one. 1. Landing You need to start thinking this way because, when you are transitioning to smaller faster canopy's, landing doesn't just happen when your altitude reaches zero. Many of the high speed low drag dudes here will probably agree with me that landing for them starts just after they get everything stowed away after opening. Watch them, and talk to them, and you will soon see that every manuever they make is to set up for landing. There's really no more "Playing Around" when you get to small canopy's. Now let's get back to Landing. Your approach flare and stopping should all be one smooth movement. Only flare as much as you need to, to maintain the altitude above the ground that you want. Try looking at the horizon during this part of you landing. I want you to standup right now and look at a far door knob or something out your window on the horizon. Now stand on your toes, and then back on your flat feet. Do you see the difference in your sight picture? Now how much have you actually moved? 3 to 4 inches if that. Now that you have that mastered, think about continuing your flare only as much as you need to, so that your sight picture doesn't change! I told you it was going to get radicle! Now that we are flying flat and level over the gound we eventuall need to stop. Well just keep flaring, and maintaining your sight picture. Eventually you will have flared so much that your canopy will no longer beable to produce the amount of lift required to hold your body in the air. This is usually when you put your feet down on the ground. I can't tell you how many people I see that don't fly their canopy to it's full potential, and then complain that their canopy doesn't have enough flare to support their fat ass's, and that they need to get a Velocity because it has a more powerfull flare Learn to flare your canopy all of the way. You should not have to run out your landings very much if you are flaring it correctly, even on low wind to no wind days. If you change your thought process, and learn to fly your canopy to it's fullest then you will be unstopable!

Think about it man. The examples you gave is a difference of 90' sq. Of course they are going to behave differently. The lines are longer on the bigger canopy, thus creating more drag, and making a longer moment between the jumper and the canopy, so the bigger canopy is not going to feel as responsive. Let's not forget the fact that there is 90 more square feet of fabric up there. What do you think that's going to do? It's going to slow the canopy down. So comparing different sized canopy's is like comparing apples and oranges.

My house is a new build. It's only two years old and I am the only owner.

Having the dog put down is not an option. IT will be well cared for here, but it will be turned over whenever the owners are found too. Whether that be one month or 6.

OK LISTEN UP! Yes I am looking for the owners of this dog. I'm going to put flyers out for the owners, but I'm not going to put the dogs picture on it. The owners will need to identify their dog. How would you feel if someone took your dog in and then gave it away to the wrong person?

Your pretty aggresive... No the dog is not chipped. Take your aggression someplace else other than DZ.com.

I'm going to put up flyers but I'm not going to put her picture on it. Do you think that is wise? The vet said the BB had been in there for awhile. She's a little thin, but not skin and bones.

One or two. I'm just skeptical because I took her to the vet for a checkup and they found a BB lodged in her mouth, and she has a few other scars. So I'm just worried that she was abused, and I don't want her to return to that. Do you know what I mean?

So anyways, The wife and I were Bar-b-quing Sunday night and this dog comes up and decided to stay with us. She had no collar on and no identification. We have been walking her around to see if she will lead us to her home, but she just leads us back to our house. She's an older Chocolate lab and very well behaved, especially in the house if you know what I mean (no surprises left for us). I'm a little scared to put up flyers with her picture on it, because I don't want any freaks to try to claim her even though she isn't theirs. She will be well taken care of at out house.

Is that a "Full Canopy Flare" that you did?

Talk to your rigger. DO NOT put your canopy into intentional buffeting. That is all.

You know, they relly need to make a dictaphone for the full figured woman...

I havn't gotten hurt doing tandems, nor have I ever hurt anyone else, but I just don't want that to happen. I think I'm one of the better tandem instructors at my dz, but I'm just tired of being a tandem slave, and doing the same thing on every jump. I'm going to stick with AFF, and video. Now every jump will be on my own canopy.

I will probably be doing my 2,000th jump this weekend. I'm planning on taking my wife on a tandem, and then quitting doing tandems. Congrats on your thousandth tandem. I only got about 300 or so, but I'm quitting anyways!!!

I have been a texas citizen for 20 years. I just got out of the Air Force here in Colorado. I got a speeding ticket on Monday, and the cop told me I need to go and get a Colorado Drivers Liscense. I hate it here in Colorado, and I don't want to surrender my Texan citizenship! I am truly saddened as to our situations. Yes you are correct about the food!!! You cannot get good Bar-B-Que here either! Colorado Sucks ASS!

Our dz is only about a 15 to 20 minute drive from the Royal gorge base jumping thing this weekend. Come make a few jumps and then go watch the base jumping carnage!!!

Come and jump down south then. We have a new Prop on our Caravan here at Skydive the Rockies, and it really climbs fast. I don't think there is a charity case when you buy jump tickets here (I'm sure it all goes to the DZO).

I think you are going to find that your skill on the bigger canopy will be 100% improved from the last time you jumped it. YOur enjoyment level of the canopy will probably go up to, as you will not have to worry as much aout spinners, and chops and what not. Like the knoght said to Indiana Jones "You have choosen... Wisely"

When my career options were going to force me into a job that didn't want to do any more. Also, when I wasn't having fun at what I was doing. That's when it was time to get out. I hav not missed it a bit.