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It would seem that little has changed from the time when Rudyard Kipling wrote the following poem, "Tommy" (not the rock opera...that was The Who TOMMY I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer, The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here." The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die, I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I: O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away"; But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play, The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play, O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play. I went into a theatre as sober as could be, They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me; They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls, But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls! For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside"; But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide, The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide, O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide. Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap; An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit. Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?" But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll, The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll, O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll. We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too, But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you; An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints, Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints; While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind", But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind, There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind, O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind. You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all: We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational. Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace. For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees! Of course, this country has its own history of maligning its military....John Kerry's infamous remark about not studying and getting stuck in Iraq, or the treatment GIs received when coming back into the US from a tour in RVN in the 1960s and 70s. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Did Obama "earn" his way into Harvard or was it "affirmative action" that got him in? I don't know the answer as to whether either of them "earned" their way in or not but something to consider. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

I've had both my shoulders repaired due to recurring dislocations back in the early 1970s. I dislocated my right twice doing downwind accuracy (round parachute days) and then it dislocated in freefall. I used my left arm to pull my main ripcord (no handdeploys at that time) and was able to steer my PC with my left arm and just made left turns to land. With my right shoulder out of joint, I wasn't even able to take the main ripcord out of the pocket, let alone pull it. I had no pain on any of the three dislocations until later but there was no doubt in my mind what had happened. When it happened in freefall, my right arm just flopped to my side as I recall. I had the surgery and waited six months to jump again and used an AAD as back up until I was confident of the fix. The next year, my left started to dislocate in freefall and I had it fixed as well and went through the same re-entry into the sport as the first time. I had 300-500 jumps at that time. I've made more than 3,000 jumps since and no ill effects other than sometimes tired shoulders after 5-6 jumps from 13.5. With hand deploys, high performance main canopies, square reserves, etc. I would make damn sure both shoulders were good, jump an AAD on my reserve, and have a plan if a shoulder dislocated in freefall...deploy the main?, deploy the reserve? how do I flare, etc. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

You could always contact Gene Paul Thacker at Raeford. He operated one (or more) for several years and could probably give you a lot of good advice. Raeford uses turbines now. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Doug, you'll be able to try again at Billy's party in a couple of weeks. John Jefferies will be down again. You'll be part of the entertainment...it can be fun watching others get drunk and throw up. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Hey! Watch that or you're outta here! "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Yep - Flake it and sleeve it! "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

All of the above! "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

New Haven and Hartford, Connecticut recently joined the ranks of sanctuary cities. In these sanctuary cities, the police are not allowed to ask anyone their immigration status so how do you expect anyone to determine whether these casual laborers are legal to work? "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

"you're" NOT "your". You now stand corrected! "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

It I remember correctly, the young lady in the plane (C-180 with the same engine as a C-185) was Mary Jobe. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

I think this discussion is fine in this forum since Jim's concern involves the DB Cooper line that has been placed here. I guess if you don't like this line, you can just choose not to read it.

Colt has made the 1911 (and Commander) in .38 super for years. If you do a little searching at GunBroker.com or GunsAmerican.com, You can find one for a lot less than $3,000, depending on what flavor you want. Most seem to run between $850 - $1,500. Besides Colt, Kimber makes them and I would guess that Wilson and others do as well. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Jim, Hope you hang around. I wounldn't hold your breath waiting for them to take down "DB Cooper" as I imagine that the number of hits it helps bring to the site helps sell advertising. It's all about the money. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Electrifying! "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

No, I left with a number of rigs (four, as I remember) and fond memories of world travel and a lot of jumps but no movies. Jim Reuter still works part-time at Pioneer so you might want to contact him if you have anything specific in mind. Dave Churchill was an undertaker (as well as a supplier) when I first met him. Maybe the film makers didn't think that occupation was appropriate for a skydiving film. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Howard, Is this the movie that has Dave Churchill looking back over his shoulder saying "Outta Sight" or some such as the end? If so, I vaguely remember seeing that movie at Orange sometime in the mid-70s (which is why my recollection is "vague") "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

I ask you again, can you point to any solid facts or studies. All you talk about is you "think". Well, there are many instances that I can document where individuals that were being held up by armed thugs managed to draw their own weapons and kill the thug. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Do you have any data to back up your statement that having a gun is more likely to get you killed? Not many armed robbers or rapists take the time to practice, get training, or actually learn how to use the firearm they possess (probably illegally). I think you will find that the facts are quite the opposite and all you need to do is do a little reading and research. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

How did the 173rd Airborne get into northern Iraq in 2003? "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

I think she does on rare occasions but I'm not sure when the last time was. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Maybe the federal government/congress should go after Al Gore for the "windfall profits" that he had made with his bogus global warming movie and his lectures/rants. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Let me see if I understand all this. Since the ice at the North Pole is melting, it is man that is causing this to happen. When the earth was formed, was the ice at the north and south poles created at that time? Has the ice been there since the earth's creation and this is the first time in all those millions of years that it is melting? Many people seem to think that the current state of the earth is how it has always been but it hasn't always been like this. There have been a number of "ice ages" that we are aware of that have occurred over time. In order to have multiple "ice ages" there also had to be a like number of "warm ages"....or we would just have one permanent "ice age". Get over it. The earth warms, the earth cools, and it has been doing this constantly long before man walked the earth and it will be going on long after we are gone. The reason is the yellow ball you see in the sky most days! "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

Just another innocent goatherder caught up in a US military sweep? Maybe not! Released Guantanamo detainee behind March suicide truck bombing at Combat Outpost Inman in Mosul By Bill RoggioJune 26, 2008 1:59 AM Video clip from Al Furqan's latest tape, "The Islamic State is Meant to Stay". The video shows the attack on Combat Outpost Inman and images from The Long War Journal of the aftermath of the attack. Al Qaeda in Iraq, through its puppet organization the Islamic State of Iraq, released its latest propaganda video on June 23. The video contains a montage of attacks throughout Iraq, and features two Kuwaiti al Qaeda operatives who conducted strikes in Mosul. One of the operatives was released from the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Islamic State of Iraq used footage taken at Combat Outpost Inman by this reporter in Mosul in March of this year. The 38-minute-long video, titled "The Islamic State is Meant to Stay," was produced by Al Furqan, al Qaeda's media arm in Iraq. Al Furqan has released few videos over the past six weeks said Nibras Kazimi, a Visiting Scholar at the Hudson Institute, at his website, Talisman Gate. The video is the first official al-Furqan release since May 30, according to ThreatsWatch.org's Nick Grace, and the 24th video released in 2008. "By this time last year," he said, "they had produced exactly 90 videos. The rank and file on the Internet have even begun to question whether recent attack 'snuff' videos produced by this outfit are even new or just archival material to keep the appearance of fresh output. U.S. operations against their media cells inside Iraq late last year have had a profound impact." Listen to Bill Roggio discuss the al Qaeda video and the use of his images of the attack at Combat Outpost Inman with Covert Radio's Brett Winterble. Al Furqan's output "has been reduced to a trickle," said Mr. Kazimi, noting that al Qaeda has not refuted reports on the death of senior leaders, including reports of the death of Abu Omar al Baghdadi, the purported leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, and Abu Ayyub al Masri, al Qaeda in Iraq's leader and the Islamic State's defense minister. Al Masri and Baghdadi, who the US military says is a fictitious character played by an actor, have not been confirmed killed. The US military said it killed al Qaeda's emir, or leader, in Mosul on June 23. Multiple senior al Qaeda leaders in Mosul have been killed or captured this year. Al Qaeda had planned "a big showdown in Mosul but either opted not to go through with it or they weren’t able to muster enough force," Mr. Kazimi said. In March, an al Qaeda leader admitted that its position in Iraq is tenuous. Abu-Turab Al-Jaza'iri, a senior al Qaeda commander in northern Iraq, said al Qaeda "lost several cities and have been forced to withdraw from others," but was still fighting. "I do not want to paint a false picture: Our position is very difficult, but we are fighting, and will continue to do so," Jazai'ri said. Abdullah Salih al Ajmi, the former released from at Guantanamo Bay detainee behind the attack on Combat Outpost Inman. A former Kuwaiti Guantanamo Bay detainee conducts a suicide attack in Mosul Two Kuwaiti al Qaeda operatives who conducted suicide attacks were featured at the end of the video. Abu Omar al Kuwaiti, also known as Badr Mishel Gama’an al Harbi, and Abu Juheiman al Kuwaiti, also known as Abdullah Salih al Ajmi, are both shown on the video, along with their attacks in Mosul, said Mr. Kazimi. Harbi, who claimed to be a "veteran of the jihad in Afghanistan," conducted a suicide car bomb attack on a police station in Mosul on April 26, 2008. Ajmi was released from at Guantanamo Bay and was searching for "a way to reconnect with the jihad." He claimed he was tortured while at Guantanamo Bay. Ajmi "is seemingly responsible for an earlier truck bombing at the Iraqi Army HQ in the Harmat neighborhood of Mosul on March 23, 2008," said Kazimi. The attack occurred at Combat Outpost Inman, an Iraqi Army base that served as the headquarters for the 1st Battalion, 3rd Brigade of the 2nd Iraqi Army Division. Thirteen Iraqi soldiers were killed and 42 were wounded after Ajmi drove an armored truck packed an estimated 5,000 to 10,000 pounds of explosives through the gate of the outpost and detonated in a spot between the three main buildings of the compound. The blast destroyed the façades of the three buildings, including the building housing the battalion headquarters. Three days prior, Brigadier General Taha, the brigade commander relieved Lieutenant Colonel Favil, the commander of the 1st Battalion, of his command. Favil was arrested for a shooting and absent from his command, and his troops were not securing the main road leading from Mosul to Tal Afar in the west. Taha believed the attack was planned from the inside. "We believe this is some kind of plot," Taha said while surveying the damage immediately after the attack. Al Furqan used footage taken by this reporter in the immediate aftermath of the suicide attack at Combat outpost Inman in its latest video. Four images from In Pictures: Suicide car bomb attacks at Combat Outpost Inman were used in the al Qaeda propaganda video to detail the aftermath of the attack "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

She is married, a mom, and living in FL - town of Clermont, I believe. I get a Christmas card every year. "A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling