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Biden's little pout face is priceless.

No, I don't agree with that. We simply have a low information voting populace and a two party system (with both parties infected by Progressivism - that's why you always seem to get the same thing when the other party gets in)... However, related issues would be less of an issue if the 17th Amendment were repealed.

How does that in any way alter the fact that those most concerned about government tyranny and having the means to fight it, are generally the same people that want the government to be as heavily armed as possible. That's, not a fact... it's a broad and weird generalization that makes no sense, likely, based off your perception that everyone who is scared of tyranny, to be in a militia group. And your OP is not a paradox, and a further poorly worded generalization based on your own opinions... probably only posted about because you are losing the gun arguments. "Shurg"

In the USA we have a dollarocracy. holy shit! we agree on something! And depending on which constitutional scholar you talk to and which day of the week, I've heard our government described as a democratic republic and also a representative republic. We can all agree, regardless of terminology that it is a republic with representatives elected through a democratic (dollarocratic?) process. OK, I take it back... IDK WTF that is or what you are talking about. I was thinking that meant along the lines of what Ron Paul called Obama, a Corporatist. Big Business and Big Government (picking winners and losers.)

I think I see what you are trying to point to... And If what I am, barely, able to see ...IS... what you are gripping about: It is equally as stupid as Quade saying I'm an anonymous poster a few months back.

Not to mention...

This is an idiotic thread... and no, No Paradox. Having the biggest, strongest and best arms... does not equate to a government who has hundreds of bases all over the world (and Germany needs to take care of itself), intervenes into anything it damn well pleases... ...And Certainly Not arming AQ in Libya and Syria through the Muslim Brotherhood. Bush should be in jail for a laundry list of shit... including everything with the NSA. Obama should be in jail for Treason for arming AQ.

The problem is... you may very well be honest in that feeling, but Progressives, are NOT. Read... American Progressivism: A Reader And, Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism ... To Start. We have a right and a responsibility to overthrow a tyrannical government... but, until senators are beating the shit out of each other on the floor (it has happened - Civil War), we are no where near that point... And an honest individual would know that if there was a gun confiscation in effect... anyone doing any shooting, will aid in losing the Republic. If the US Government came to my door for my guns, 1) they would be hidden 2) I would say, "you may not have my firearms, Arrest Me." Overwhelm the system is the only way... they wouldn't be able to handle it if EVERYONE did that. But they (Progressives) want violence... Top Down, Bottom Up, Inside Out... because violence equates to the complete lose of the Republic.

Actually, I agree with you on that. Because we are technically not a Representative Republic anymore... But whatever you label us... it's not democracy.

That doesn't even make sense... And last I checked, Kennedy couldn't (nor anyone else) identify the "religion of America" nor the definition of happiness (changed to that because of slavery). You and many others, have a shit load of reading to do... but you won't.

"both a republic and a democracy" Wrong... Incompatible.

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And Benjamin Franklin would criticize you harshly. Additionally, you have no ability to know who is dangerous and who is not. If a threat is made, it can be prosecuted... and there are always warnings signs.

It's a republic. A democratic republic is a country that is both a republic and a democracy. It is one where ultimate authority and power is derived from the citizens. So everyone is right, and wrong at the same time. No Professor, YOU, are wrong. We are a Representative (Constitutional) Republic. We are not a democracy, Democracy is Crap, we simply have democratically elected representatives... with the Constitution taking specific steps to protect the minority. And one of those steps (also meant to protect states) needs to be fixed... by repeal of the 17th Amendment. I Vote, to lock up this thread.... its getting stupider by the day. And Kallend already lost the argument concerning the OT, mental illness... that is without "panels of experts".

But you have lost the argument on mental health... that is without "panels of experts" that infringe on everyone's rights. Really?

So... is the issue and need for more legislation because of felons, or the mentally ill? If this is all to save children, then where you are now going is even more pointless. None of the examples of mass shootings, were felons who got guns through a gun show loophole, NOR, from an individual making a sale to another individual. None.

Not gonna happen. Unenforceable, not necessary, and had there been previously, it would have changed nothing. States simply need to do their jobs... No More Power. And, there are always warning signs. P.S... NY fucked up, and they admitted they have embarrassed themselves.

I would be ecstatic to watch you try to present this bull shit to Scalia. And if he knew you as we do, I'm sure he would use his "If I were king" phrase, saying, "If I were king, you, and people like you, would be put to death." People like you, are exactly why we have the Bill of Rights, which is unnecessary, except because of people like you... And given the moronic (not simply incorrect, but flat out stupid) argument you have attempted to make in this thread, based off one line from an entire opinion (that in itself shows you are wrong)... you clearly have not read his latest book, Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal Texts. Note: Very glad that here on the dorkzone, unlike BJ, you can't edit posts months later. We can always refer back to these ridiculous arguments when the next mass shooting occurs.

Are you talking private sale? Ex) If you are a convicted felon and want to buy my shotgun?

Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. See, e.g., Sheldon, in 5 Blume 346; Rawle 123; Pomeroy 152–153; Abbott333. For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. See, e.g., State v. Chandler, 5 La. Ann., at 489–490; Nunn v. State, 1 Ga., at 251; see generally 2 Kent *340, n. 2; The American Students’ Blackstone 84, n. 11 (G. Chase ed. 1884). Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment , nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. This does not translate to, that the State (Local, State, Federal) can screen people with a panel of experts (like in Canada or UK) to determine if they are "not healthy in regard to mental health", by standards set up by the State. Innocent until proven guilty. Mentally competent, until proven mentally incompetent. You are wrong... Son.

***Thank you for grudgingly and with bad grace actually admitting that I was correct when I wrote: "According to DC vs Heller, preventing the mentally ill and felons from having guns is NOT a violation of the 2nd Amendment. Much as you may dislike it, the SCOTUS (and NOT YOU) decide these things." Attempting to recover from your mistake by trying to contradict stuff that I didn't write (strawman) just makes you look silly. Get over yourself, cupcake. Wow... you are one Brain Dead Professor. My mistake? And what mistake is that? What are you saying I have contradicted... every bit of my statements have remained consistent, and you are not correct in any degree by what you have posted and trying to imply.

Not, Gonna, Happen... ...Fuck, Your, Panel. Period. Fuck Your panel of experts, Bill... Fuck Quade's panel of experts. Dude... you seriously need to go spend some time in an ER/ED or mental health facility. Seriously, get your fuggin EMT-B (any moron can get that), and go work in an ED part time. Crazy, don't mean stupid. Even if you did dissolve the Constitution or amend it to: A well regulated Militia, is not necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall be determined by a Federal panel of experts. ...Guaranteed, "nutjobs", will get past your Panels; there will still be shootings (whether the death count is in the single or double digits is the difference). Sorry... this is a Republic based on Natural Law with Natural Rights, designed specifically to bind the hands of power (greatly more focused at the central level, than state and local) and to preserve liberty; Maximum Freedom. DEATH TO TYRANTS. I am amazed at how this shit isn't clicking in your head, and that you don't see how stupid all your (and many others') little varied examples in trying to find other ways to say the same stupid crap, is one big ridiculous circle. Or... you are a Progressive. American Progressivism: A Reader The Little Blue Book "Reading is Fundamental"

Quade's arguments concerning mental illness and firearms are nonsensical, fully based in emotion... and go in repetitive pathetic circles. As stated in previous threads.

Keep telling that to the voices in your head...

And outside of someone who has committed a crime, or someone found "mentally ill" through proper court proceedures... you (Nor Quade) can't define what mental illness is. Cricles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles, Circles. Circles...