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Wow, I cannot believe there was such a negative response from the suggestion of returning goods you have purchased off a large (corrupt) corporation after you have used them. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3853557;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread I must admit I intentionally plucked a few strings to get such reactions. This was so I could get some typical knee jerk reactions to dispute later. But that backfired due to some boiling blood! I would like to keep this discussion/debate diplomatic so we can move forward in understanding each other. I will not make any 'take the piss, and see if you can handle it' comments. It is clear many people cannot handle negative comments towards them without reacting violently. If this thread gets locked like the previous; I assure you it will not be due to my demeanour. As many have suggested, it seems to be morally incorrect to return goods after you have purchased them, if you do so intentionally. That is what the discussion is about and I will agree that it is morally incorrect to do so in cases where the provider is an ethical entity. In the case at hand however we are talking about Walmart. It must be clear before we carry on, that I also mentioned in my original post that created such a debacle; that if one was morally opposed to doing such, they should purchase from an independent store instead, it appears that was ignored by many. I assume this paragraph will be ignored by knee jerkers also, let’s see. Walmart has a no questions asked policy for returning goods within a 90 day period. At least they did at the time I utilised the policy. I was told this by various people and decided I would take advantage of it, if I did not have to lie or steal. I stated I no longer wanted the goods at the customer service desk, produced the receipt and they returned my money in cash, no questions asked. Why did I do this you may ask? I know they only have the policy because people are too meek, proud, or Christian etc to utilise it. I am not of that ilk. I did it because I hate Walmart and many of the organisations that use the same structure for profit as they do. While they remain competitive in the marketplace by selling goods a potentially lower price than elsewhere, the do so by taking advantage of the local community and export their profits to other areas. The social damage and cost to society as a whole from these massive corporations using this structure is very much unacknowledged. They swallow up small businesses import goods and with ruthless tactics and employ the local community at absolute minimum (or below in many, many cases) while taking advantage of the unemployment situation and the desperation of local civilians to meet their basic everyday requirements. Now you may say I sound like a commie, socialist, left wing nutcase as many have before, but am more often than not; misunderstood. I am not opposed to companies and making profit, I am opposed to extreme greed and corruption. I have a quite successful PTY LTD company now and am in the process of buying a 25% share in another and moving away from my current position. I want to be successful like any other person in their right mind would. I am also moving toward self sustainability in a natural environment, I am lucky enough to have this handed to me on a sliver platter. Walmart however want more than that, they want to maximise profits to levels they do not need at the expense of their unsuspecting or desperate employees and anything else that gets in their way. I made a link to a Google search of ‘Walmart underpaid staff’ and there was a plethora of incidents and articles including multi million dollar law suits for morally incorrect actions. Read it. once you have and you still think they deserve any better, explain how? It must also be clear as it may not be to some, that it is possible to make a profit while actually improving the regions you operate in rather than damaging them. Walmart are not the only ones like this there are many. Humans are greedy by nature and this is something we must all be fully aware of. My decision to take advantage of their policy was to take advantage of them, why not they set the precedent. My actions will have no significant impact, at worse the manufacturer may have it returned to them and lose the sale. I’m sure any contractor to Walmart is doing quite well, but the people that physically produced the goods will be taken full advantage of also not in all cases but many. Walmart implemented that policy purposely to increase profit not to do anyone a favour. It was a little stab at the big guy from the little guy, no more than an itch for Walmart. I’m sure many will oppose my actions. If you are one of these, try to convince me that I did any wrong. I have morals and I am honest, I broke no rule or law, I didn’t lie and I was completely straight forward in my approach. They offered me my money back if I no longer desired my goods. I had no baggage space and took them up on the deal. They smiled, I smiled and every one is happy, except a few in up in here! Explain. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

haha, you seppos have a fucked impression of what is right and wrong. You'll persecute the little guy and hang the big guy on a hight horse, I have to go to work now but i will discuss this with you self proclaimed angels after then. I suppose it is fucking asholes like me that have destroyed your economy too huh? Idiotic people! Think about it a little more and do some research fools! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

fly into san fancisco, there are various ways to get to the town of lodi by bus etc, but once you are in lodi you can be picked up if you call the dropzone. Camping is free, and the money you would normally spend on accomodation will pay for all of your jumps, you could do about 70-80 jumps in 2 weeks if you stay there and get on all the loads you can. Whatever you do, you will be able to do more jumps in Lodi than anywhere else, in a short time and at such a reasonable price. For 'dutchies' like me [Wink], there is free candy, free peanuts in the shell, $0.50 sodas, $0.50 water, free rubberbands, and $0.50 snacks... It is utopia when the planes are running and not much at all when they stop. Have a plan to do stuff when the DZ closes for the day (about 3pm except saturdays), unless you are content sitting there all night drinking beer. There is free wireless in the bunkhouse so you can do internet stuff too if you bring your laptop. But not much else at all without some sort of transport. I recommend the Italian resturaunt in Galt next to the Mongolian place (which is not bad itself)!Wink I did for a month, with no car. there is a couple os small returaunt in a short walking distance, so you can eat drink and sleep. I highly recommend the camping scenario as the bunk house is quite 'crubbed' to say the least! There may or may not be a room for you to use as it changes daily and bill will not usually reserve one for you. there is basic cooking stuff there but you will probaly have to clean it all first!!! just use the money you save on jump tickets and accomodation on eating out, there will be people there going to Lodi and galt for dinner most nights so if you are any sort of good person you will have no trouble at all living comofrtably. You might just go insane at night if you get bored easily though. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You can at least acknowledge that I was giving information pertaining to the subject at hand, post 9 of the new thread you created should have remained and now makes no sense in its current location. I will repost the relevant information (omit the free camping equipment suggestion) that will no doubt be usefull for anyone that has no experience or information on what it is like staying there! That information will otherwise be lost into the bonfire abyss in no time! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If I intentially broke an item to have it exchanged I would be abusing the system, if I return a product I no longer desire, and they refund me my money in that basis, I am using the system not abousing it. Based on the policies they implemented themselves in order to convice people to purchase sub standard products, I was simply 'using' the system, not abusing it. read the pages in the link above to see how walmart feel about 'using the system'. Then come back to me! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

ooh I just realised we have been kicked out into the bonfire, If anybody wishes to debate with me about the morals of taking advantage of greedy corporations, we will be bounced into the speakers corner in no time! any takers? start by researching these pages, to get where my angle is coming from. http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Q3x&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&ei=s-neS8uSE4ugkQXO3-HLBw&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CAYQvwUoAQ&q=walmart+underpaid+staff!&spell=1 "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Can you explain what it is that you believe is wrong with what I did? If you want to talk about reponsabiltiy to society and what is right and wrong, how about we step into the speakers corner then I can gove you some reasonable comparisons. This thread is about staying in Lodi and I would like for the sake of people that may stay there to keep it on track. Start a thread in the appropriate palce or let me know if you want me to, I am sure i can give you a lesson or 3 on carechter and responsabily to society, you will likely not agree with me but you will surely learn a thing or two. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Which is why you are most likely not an inventor? How can you say something is not possible when the only reason it seems impossible, is because it has not been done before. You should have specifically used the words "right now" in that sentence. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

April 2002, static line, C182, 3000' sensory overload, linetwists, fun. Goliath canopy, radioassited stand up landing. Awesome, AFF is like having trainer wheels. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You're a half empty kinda guy huh? Remeber those 'yuppie phones' that were as big and as heavy as bricks and only rich people and on site contractors could afford them... or when every body thought digital photos will never be as good as film... the glass looks a little more than 3/4 full to me! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

They are the forunate ones, it has been 65 years since the war finished. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Pretty fucking slim if you ask me! She may pretend to beleive like most people do to keep thier peers happy and make their lives easier. Much like any person trying to become the United States Presedent would have to pretend to be Christian to have any chance whatsoever! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Whatever you do, you will be able to do more jumps in Lodi than anywhere else, in a short time and at such a reasonable price. For 'dutchies' like me, there is free candy, free peanuts in the shell, $0.50 sodas, $0.50 water, free rubberbands, and $0.50 snacks... It s utopia when the planes are running and not much at all when they stop. Have a plan to do stuff when the DZ closes for the day (about 3pm except saturdays), unless you are content sitting there all night drinking beer. There is free wireless in the bunkhouse so you can do internet stuff too if you bring your laptop. But not much else at all without some sort of transport. I recommend the Italian resturaunt in Galt next to the Mongolian place (which is not bad itself)! I did for a month, with no car. there is a couple os small returaunt in a short walking distance, so you can eat drink and sleep. I highly recommend the camping scenario as the bunk house is quite 'crubbed' to say the least! There may or may not be a room for you to use as it changes daily and bill will not usually reserve one for you. there is basic cooking stuff there but you will probaly have to clean it all first!!! just use the money you save on jump tickets and accomodation on eating out, there will be people there going to Lodi and galt for dinner most nights so if you are any sort of good person you will have no trouble at all living comofrtably. You might just go insane at night if you get bored easily though. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

All class bro, all class. One thing i'm not; is under the thumb. You can get walked over or you can call the shots. no line was crossed and I scored, and so can you. If everybody did it, they wouldn't be able to sell such crap and we wouldn't have to buy it as often. Get a backbone people! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I disagree, if the product is clearly used, then one would have to be silly to buy it as new. If it is in new condition and the packaging is still 100% in tact, then what is the difference? If the new owner is none the wiser, then there is no loss for anyone. If there is damage, or they are not happy with it, then they can return it. Unfortunately most of the stuff that should be returned to the maufacturers ends up in the landfill because people are too lazy, apathetic or shy to return them. That is more of a shame and is why we are sold crap more often than not! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I wouldn't call it fast, my father was born in a japanese war camp in 1942 so is one of the younger people that wassomehow involved in the war. We all die at some stage. How long do you expect to live? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

When you re uner the thumb, you are no longer free. You should pull your head out of the sand woman! do you still beleive the fedeal reserve is 'run' by the government. or do you understand that private individuals control your countries economy? Once you understand that, and you understand the influence those few people have on our world, you will oppose such identification cards. If you have not committed a crime you should not have to be fingerprinted! But you are one of these pseudo leftists that pretend that you are not a right wing nutcase, so you will likely not fathom (or admit) that as your pride will likely not allow you to. If America actually spent its 'homeland security' budget on 'homeland security' rather than killing innocents that would never even likely step foot on your country, then you probably would not be in the sitution you re in now. But you like guns and war is guns and as long as you are at war, you have guns. Your supposedly free country is not free, it is fucking expensive, and it is a fucking mess, and you people are opressed. Attitudes like yours allow the assholes that control it/are destroying it, to continue on their path of evil. I think you might have poo in your nostril! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Fuck that 'hot dog', processed shit, thats just lips, ears and assholes minced up with flour and stuffed coloured intestines, I like my 'tomato sauce' on good cuts of meat! not that offal shit ya'all eat every day. lamb rack and filet steak! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

have done before, companies like walmart make untold millions from paying little and having such policies. It is well within the rules, if you don't want it get a refund. I took my tent back and air mattress, only a month later, wen't to the service desk, said i don't want these anymore, gave them the reciept, and they gave me my money back. The only reason they can have these policies is because most people are too proud to take advantage of them. That is why they sell crap that lasts only months that has a year warrantee. Fuck em! I just (5 minutes ago) spent $1500 at chuting star and para gear getting varous things, no worries, those people deserve my cash, wall mart does not! I didn't rip them off, I took advantage of thier policies! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Which is why I admire her strength and love. If abortions were illegal, she would have had no (legal) choice. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Cool, thats awesome for you, you mother must have been strong. Had she have decided otherwise you wouldn't exist and would be none the wiser. I am not opposed to women giving birth to the child of a sexual abuse case, I am opposed to forcing them to. Sometimes unwanted children can destroy three or more people lives. I admire your being able to publicy speak of this. And I admire your biological mother for her stregnth and love for you she showed. I was in a relationship with a woman, she got pregnant and she decided to terminate the foetus. I agreed and we went through with it. I was not in love with her, she was not in love with me, and had we have had the child; who knows what would have happened. I am sure glad she was not forced (by law) into gving birth to it. She was relieved also. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Just go there, if you want to camp out it is free. Fly into San Francisco, go to walmart, buy a big tent, an air mattress with electric pump, 2 duvets, one for under the sheet and one for above (it gets cold at night) stay there and return the stuff to wallmart when you have finished for a full refund, no questions asked! (If you are morally opposed to returning the stuff after you use it, buy from an independant camping store) walmart don't need you money!) camping is free, and the money you would spend on accomodation will pay for all of your jumps, you could do about 70-80 jumps in 2 weeks if you stay there and get on all the loads you can. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I suppose you also think it is a womans' responsability to mother the child of a person that raped her also? I guess you ignore the evidence of dinosours and the rest of the solar system and universe, so at least you are consistent! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix