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Just to clarify, this is proof that Cooper did find and remove the packing card from the chute he jumped with?

Presumably it was white since I believe Hayden has said that the two chutes were identical. Could be wrong on that, but I believe that to be the case. So the whole notion of Cooper having a choice between "the luxury chute" and the military chute is bunk.

My dude, KK5-1 is a random mugshot of some long dead criminal from yesteryear, it's not a sketch. It comes from this:

This was Flo since it came from Denver. She moved to Denver in early 72 to work for Frontier. I originally thought Alice was the one who moved to Denver, but it was 100% Flo. Alice stayed in Minny throughout 72 with her husband who was an NWO employee. Tina ended up moving to Chicago in summer 73 when she married Larson.

By that same logic he sat on the right side of the plane so he could have his left hand free to do tasks while his right hand was inside the briefcase (pretending to be holding detonator wires or whatever). Lynse's "probably right" is weird. Lynse's 302 says he probably couldn't pick him out if he saw him again yet he is supposed to remember or have paid attention to what hand he paid with? The stains is interesting as well. The only time so far that appears in a 302 comes from a couple of 1988 302's. Himmy in NORJAK also mentions his fingers were stained, but doesn't specify which hand. Hopefully one day we'll get a 302 of a previously unseen testimony indicating where that derived from precisely. I think there is evidence that points toward him being a lefty and also evidence pointing toward the righty. I think if we get a 302 from closer in time to the hijacking indicating that it really was his right hand that was tobacco stained, then that should solve it. However, it's odd that a stew, presumably Tina, would even notice that his fingers were stained on his right hand since Tina also says "he had his right hand inside the briefcase at all times."

Were you trying to link to a specific batch?

Source?

Could also be from age as well. 50's in about the age when some men might start getting that lose skin to make the gobble.

Yep. and fwiw, for those who haven't read it, this is from Bruce's book and his interview with Bill.

I originally tried Mrs and it didn't look right. But I tried again and you're right.

Garley was her maiden name. They used it for her sometimes and other times not. This is the issue with trying to fill in the redactions. At various times you'll get Florence Schaffner, Flo Schaffner, Miss Florence Schaffner, Miss Schaffner, Florence, Flo Tina Mucklow, Tina Ann Mucklow, Miss Tina Mucklow, Miss Mucklow, Tina Mrs. Alice Garley Hancock, Alice Hanock, Alice Garley Hancock, Mrs. Hancock, Alice

Alice was a fan of Composite B as well

This chin would be a disqualifier for me. Practically a zero chance that witnesses wouldn't have commented on that huge butt-chin. That would certainly be a very noticeable feature and the sketch artist for Cooper, Roy Rose, said in a later interview that Cooper's "protruding lower lip" was the only unique facial feature that anyone told him about regarding Cooper.

It all comes from Flo's testimony and yes I think it's more a reference to her being insulted by the "pick up this bag" moment.

You jumped on my butt for suggesting something similar last week. Glad you've come around to that, haha! My sense was always that Tina just didn't want to be bothered by the whole thing. Hell, let's list all the times that she may have had a chance to see a frontal view of his face - the multiple times she walked up and down the aisles of the aircraft - when she joked about wanting some of the money (surely she wasn't sitting next to him when that occurred. I'm guessing she was standing in the aisle or had sat down in 18-C at that point, but even sitting in 18-C she'd still be looking across the aisle AT him and I doubt he staring straight forward during this incident. - when she observed him messing around with the parachutes and cutting the shroud lines, etc. She indicates she was in 18-C at this point so Cooper surely wasn't still stoically facing forward. My guess is that he was in the aisle working with the chutes so he'd have space. - when she showed him where the panel was to lower the stairs. - when she was pleading with him to cut her a shroud line and tie her to a chair, etc. - when she pleaded with him to take the bomb with him. Others? It really beggars belief that she would make such a claim. As I've said, to me it indicates the desire to not be bothered. At first with Comp A she's like "oh yeah, looks great, just make the sunglasses a little wider and you've got it...see ya!" Then when it's apparent they're going to be making another one she keeps saying "I never really had a great look at him. Can't really offer too much." Both of these answers indicate to me that she didn't want to be hassled about it. Her reasoning? No idea.

It checks out. It seems to me that once the passengers left the plane, Cooper felt comfortable taking his sunglasses off for a bit because here we've got Flo basically saying that she saw Cooper put his sunglasses BACK on. I'm thinking that Cooper had his glasses off during the whole "hey pick this bag up and see how heavy it is" moment.

Well, it's Tina unfortunately. Not only do the details (whispering, seated next to) indicate Tina but also at the end of that particular 302 they state that they still need to show it to the stew who moved to Denver (see attached). That would be Alice who moved there. Tina and Flo remained in Minny throughout 1972 and into spring 73 when they were last questioned about the sketches. We know that Tina was still in Minny in 73 because of another 302 where they mentioned her upcoming marriage to Larson. She also says she likes Comp B in it (see attached). Having the knowledge that Alice was the one in Denver also lets you fill in the blanks on a 302 dated November 72 where Tina reiterates that she only saw side profile (see attached) There is also a March 73 interview with Tina where she likes Comp B (see attached).

Disagree with your conclusion. “He for the most part was seated on her side and so that she only saw his profile.” “…and most of the time he was whispering in her ear” Pretty sure that’s Tina.

post that pic again. not showing up

Ancestry. He was a 21 year old freshman in 1952, so this was after his Navy surface, so he went there with GI Bill presumably. Unfortunately that's the only yearbook that college has online, so I can't follow it to see if he graduated.

I found a picture of Uncle LD in a college yearbook. Don't think anyone has seen it before. LD wasn't Cooper obviously but he's still part of the "Vortex", so here it is.

You should probably wait for FlyJack to tell you all about it, but if I may be so bold to offer something, this is what Tina had to say about why she never saw him head on. It is odd though because did she not see his face when she was bringing the chutes and money on? Or what about when she joked about having some of the money and he handed her a bundle?

I've contributed more to the average person's understanding of this case than anything you've ever done, which is apparently just arguing with people non-stop on a message board. I also managed to remove all uses of the word "wilderness" from the wiki page except for Larry Carr's nonsense...but I'm working on getting that expunged. So now when someone visits the Wiki page, which is the first thing any lay person does when they have an interest in the case, they will see in the header that Cooper "parachuted into the night over southwestern Washington" when in the previous FIVE years it said "parachuted into the remote wilderness of Washington". I've also successfully added a counter argument on the wiki page to all of the FBI's nonsense about Cooper dying or having a dummy chute. I added the entire section on there about the sketches, which the lay person is constantly confused by. They even had him sitting on the wrong side of the plane before I took over! That complete misinformation has been read by millions and millions of people. That might not be as cool as arguing with strangers online or hoarding "80%" of my research, but it is far more impactful for the public and to me there is nothing greater than being able to impact public perception of this case. My contributions have reached millions. And ya, I already know what you're going to say in rebuttal, so you can save your fingers from typing the insults and diminishing my contributions i.e. " I don't care what the public thinks or what they read on the stupid Wiki, I just care about the research" yada yada.

Good enough to be the first person in the Vortex to find out that her name is Alyce Gorley Hancock and not Alice Garley Hancock. Good enough researcher to be the first to find the other Dan Cooper action hero. Good enough researcher to have seized control of the Wiki from the idiots and to have added over 100 references to the 302's on the Wiki page and adding this particular paragraph I wrote to the page, which should please you thoroughly: The FBI relied heavily on the testimony of University of Oregon student Bill Mitchell, who sat across from Cooper during the three hours between take off in Portland and landing in Seattle, repeatedly interviewing him for what would become known as Composite Sketch B.[167] His descriptions of Cooper were mostly the same as those of the flight attendants, except that he described Cooper as being somewhat smaller, stating that he thought Cooper was 5 feet 9 inches (1.75 m) to 5 feet 10 inches (1.78 m) and that at 6 feet 2 inches (1.88 m) he was "way bigger" than Cooper and even referring to him as "slight".[168][169] Robert Gregory, one of the only other passengers besides Mitchell who provided the FBI with a full description of Cooper, also provided a shorter impression of Cooper, describing him as 5 feet 9 inches (1.75 m). Gregory stated that he believed Cooper to be of Mexican-American or American Indian descent.[170]

lol, you'd think I just said something about your mother. Get a grip. It's fine.